What a joke this is!

Razbo

Look at how these idiots play and how they get so lucky... OMG!!

Took my money back 2 hands after mind you with trip 4's. But omg

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Razbo	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.35
l	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.58
	Your hole cards	Q Q
c	Fold
m	Fold
s	Fold
g	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£1.84
Razbo	Call		£0.02	£0.12	£3.33
l	Check
Flop
		10 6 5
Razbo	Bet		£0.12	£0.24	£3.21
l	Fold
g	Raise		£0.24	£0.48	£1.60
Razbo	All-in		£3.21	£3.69	£0.00
g	All-in		£1.60	£5.29	£0.00
Razbo	Unmatched bet		£1.49	£3.80	£1.49
Razbo	Show	Q Q
g	Show	8 10
Turn
		2
River
		2
g	Win	Flush to the 10	£3.52		£3.52

ladywinner

no kidding i had almost same to that look at this

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
b	Small blind		50.00	50.00	4322.68
t	Big blind		100.00	150.00	685.00
	Your hole cards	A A
J	Fold
ladywinner	Raise		300.00	450.00	3950.00
P	All-in		2155.00	2605.00	0.00
d	Fold
b	Fold
t	All-in		685.00	3290.00	0.00
ladywinner	Call		1855.00	5145.00	2095.00
t	Show	J J
ladywinner	Show	A A
P	Show	A 10
Flop
		6 Q J
Turn
		4
River
		K
P	Win	Straight to the Ace	5145.00		5145.00

joke or what!!!

The_Don90

The AA hand is a little unlucky, however the NL4 hand, i dont believe you can call a joke. He flops top pair with a flush draw with gap suited connectors, sorry to say it your behind when the money goes it, as a result you got out played.

Ms_Chips

nothing you can do there you lose your money, it' just one of those moments. in fact the only thing i can see wrong with this is you not raising preflop, however you would have still lost all your money. So you really shouldn't call them idiots, RAZBO.

spornybol

as where on about same table this was my forth hand

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
spornybol	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£1.60
b	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.14
	Your hole cards	K K
pacentta	Fold
chopper67	Fold
Steel-No1	Fold
spornybol	Raise		£0.10	£0.16	£1.50
b	All-in		£1.14	£1.30	£0.00
spornybol	Call		£1.06	£2.36	£0.44
spornybol	Show	K K
b	Show	A 6
Flop
		7 8 4
Turn
		5
River
		Q
b	Win	Straight to the 8	£2.19		£2.19

mike1975

Guys, we all understand poker can be frustrating at times but, posting hands in the general section of the forum attempting to belittle other peoples play is not a not only unfair to the other players but, also reflects badly upon yourselves.

if you do want to post hands for people to give their option's on, the poker clinic is the place to do that and i think you will find that they will be gratefully received an you might be surprised by some of the replies you get considering what you think are bad plays.

if you just want to let off steam then area51 is the place to post them.

no matter where you post them though, you should be editing the hands so that the other players names are removed.

this helps keep this forum a nice friendly place.

spornybol

sick turn and river at least i walked away with profit in the end

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
spornybol	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.55
B_	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£0.64
	Your hole cards	2 2
Razbo	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.72
l	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£0.86
chopper67	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£7.21
mrtwisted	Call		£0.04	£0.22	£4.54
spornybol	Call		£0.02	£0.24	£2.53
B_	Check
Flop
		4 2 6
spornybol	Check
B_	Bet		£0.12	£0.36	£0.52
Razbo	Fold
l	Call		£0.12	£0.48	£0.74
chopper67	Call		£0.12	£0.60	£7.09
mrtwisted	Fold
spornybol	Raise		£0.66	£1.26	£1.87
B_	All-in		£0.52	£1.78	£0.00
l	All-in		£0.74	£2.52	£0.00
chopper67	Fold
spornybol	Call		£0.20	£2.72	£1.67
spornybol	Show	2 2
B_	Show	6 3
l	Show	8 8
Turn
		5
River
		7
l	Win	Straight to the 8	£2.52		£2.52

spornybol

In Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

Guys, we all understand poker can be frustrating at times but, posting hands in the general section of the forum attempting to belittle other peoples play is not a not only unfair to the other players but, also reflects badly upon yourselves. if you do want to post hands for people to give their option's on, the poker clinic is the place to do that and i think you will find that they will be gratefully received an you might be surprised by some of the replies you get considering what you think is bad plays. if you just want to let off steam then area51 is the place to post them. no matter where you post them though, you should be editing the hands so that the other players names are removed. this helps keep this forum a nice friendly place.
Posted by mike1975

thanks for that forgot too edit players names there have done now, i`m sure this will get moved just thought i`d continue with the first post as it` was on same table

Razbo

How bout this then. Had pair of Aces from Flop. Fair enough I only bet 10p. But the guy calls with a 10 3 spades. There was no flush draw at that point. So why the hell would you fish with a 10 - 3??? Turn and River gave the fish a flush. Point is... ridiculous rubbish calling with a 10 3 from that point... OMG

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tb	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£39.58
r	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£13.70
	Your hole cards	A 6
Razbo	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£3.15
g3	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£18.06
tb	Call		£0.05	£0.40	£39.53
r	Check
Flop
		5 8 A
tb	Check
r	Check
Razbo	Bet		£0.10	£0.50	£3.05
g	Call		£0.10	£0.60	£17.96
tb	Fold
r	Call		£0.10	£0.70	£13.60
Turn
		A
r	Check
Razbo	Bet		£0.70	£1.40	£2.35
g3	Fold
r	Call		£0.70	£2.10	£12.90
River
		K
r	Bet		£1.05	£3.15	£11.85
Razbo	Call		£1.05	£4.20	£1.30
r	Show	3 10
Razbo	Show	A 6
r	Win	Flush to the Ace	£3.89		£15.74

Razbo

As for the top post, it was dumb re raising cuz there is so many higher kickers. Had an 8 as a kicker. You wouldn't go all in with it. But everyone has there different opinions. As for the 10 3 fishing from there with no draws is a bit ridiculous. Many people will have bad hands sadly that happens, but on here way to often.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

As for the top post, it was dumb re raising cuz there is so many higher kickers. Had an 8 as a kicker. You wouldn't go all in with it. But everyone has there different opinions. As for the 10 3 fishing from there with no draws is a bit ridiculous. Many people will have bad hands sadly that happens, but on here way to often.
Posted by Razbo

Razbo why wouldnt you. You have 10 8 hearts on 10 high 2 hearts flop. Sorry im all in here everytime. You played the hand terrible. Whats worse is you try to hide it by saying bad beat, Hes actually stastical favortie over you because of the amount of outs.

Razbo

In Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

In Response to Re: What a joke this is! : Razbo why wouldnt you. You have 10 8 hearts on 10 high 2 hearts flop. Sorry im all in here everytime. You played the hand terrible. Whats worse is you try to hide it by saying bad beat, Hes actually stastical favortie over you because of the amount of outs.
Posted by The_Don90

Whether you agree with that one or not doesn't matter. You never saw how the guy was playing in the room, even Sporny who was there would definately not agree with the guys play style, who in the end walked away with nothing because of it. He raised with any hands and pretty much went all in with any hands regardless of whether he hit or not. He fished with anything and everything.
Good play style you don't whine about, bad styles you do.

The_Don90

Now Razbo if you dont believe me on your QQ hand have a look at this one spot the differance

Ok so i decide to call i posistion against a loose opponent didnt actually expect other callers i flop top two pair and i put them to the test, When did you do this on the QQ hand? />

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
HOG60	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£7.24
ashleelee	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.20
	Your hole cards	7 K
SPARTASC	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.25
blondynka7	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£7.04
Lola80	Fold
The_Don90	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£3.80
HOG60	Call		£0.18	£0.68	£7.06
ashleelee	Call		£0.16	£0.84	£2.04
SPARTASC	Call		£0.16	£1.00	£5.09
Flop
		K 7 2
HOG60	Check
ashleelee	Check
SPARTASC	Check
blondynka7	Check
The_Don90	Bet		£1.00	£2.00	£2.80
HOG60	Fold
ashleelee	Call		£1.00	£3.00	£1.04
SPARTASC	Fold
blondynka7	Fold
Turn
		5
ashleelee	All-in		£1.04	£4.04	£0.00
The_Don90	Call		£1.04	£5.08	£1.76
ashleelee	Show	5 K
The_Don90	Show	7 K
River
		5
ashleelee	Win	Full House, 5s and Kings	£4.70		£4.70

Razbo

Well in truth you could be right... then again I wouldn't personally call with a K7 off suite to begin with :P. Poker is a learning game, I haven't played all that long but I am a good player just I also have lots to learn. Posting hands can give input and help to develop a persons skills. I appreciate your opinion and take it on board. There is no need for harshness though.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

Well in truth you could be right... then again I wouldn't personally call with a K7 off suite to begin with :P. Poker is a learning game, I haven't played all that long but I am a good player just I also have lots to learn. Posting hands can give input and help to develop a persons skills. I appreciate your opinion and take it on board. There is no need for harshness though.
Posted by Razbo

i appoligise if anything ive said sounds harsh, K7 offsuit is a loose call again take opponents into consideration.

Also i never meant to sound harsh just offer sound advice. Im trying to help you improve your game.

PKRPar

n Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

In Response to Re: What a joke this is! : Whether you agree with that one or not doesn't matter. You never saw how the guy was playing in the room, even Sporny who was there would definately not agree with the guys play style, who in the end walked away with nothing because of it. He raised with any hands and pretty much went all in with any hands regardless of whether he hit or not. He fished with anything and everything. Good play style you don't whine about, bad styles you do.
Posted by Razbo

To be honest mate. You're playing 2p/4p levels. People's calling range is a lot wider. The guy in your first post has ever right to go all in. You may have been ahead this time but the majority of the time you could of had two overcards only, or even worse a smaller pair. With top pair and a flaush draw (and for the fact it's small stakes) then he's 100% correct to do what he did.

As for the point you've made in the quote above.... aren't these the players you want to play? Wait to you have the goods and they will pay you off everytime....

Tikay10

Groan.......

Threads like this make we want to weep.

Only in poker do players bemoan the fact that their opponents are bad. Honestly, you could not make it up.

I'd love to help these guys who are complaining, I really would, & I could, but until people understand sample size, & how poker works, I'd be flogging a dead horse.

I get more PM's, more FB questions, more Posts on "Ask tikay", than anything else, saying "how could he call?". All of which miss the point completely.

But here's some stuff which may help, though I fancy I'm not going to make much progress.
 
Sample Size.

Never take a view on one hand, one session, one evening, one week, or even one month. A fair sample size to judge your luck & ability is tens of thousands of hands, not one hand. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Quality of Opponent.

The worse your opponent, the more money you will win over time. The better your opponent, the less you will win. Play poker against Ivey & Co, & they'll skin you alive.  Play poker against worse players, & you'll do OK.

Focusing on bad plays by others.

Don't. Just don't. That's it, do not do it. Why would you? It's their money, they can do as they wish. They can call with ANYTHING if they so desire. It's none of my or your business how badly they play, because it is their money.

Beating the game.

Beating the game is simple. Here's how to do it.

a) Play against inferior opposition.

b) Play technically good poker. Which is very simple to do. Just do the basics correctly, & consistently. Thats all.

Being beaten by the game.

Anyone who worries about bad play by opponents will lose money in poker.

Bad plays by opponents mean those guys win, say, 1 hand in 5 by playing badly. Which means that, over time, we will win 4 hands in 5.
 
We cannot have our cake & eat it. LET the bad guy play bad, he is your profit. Over time.

PS - PLEASE don't call our arguably less skilled opponents "idiots". It's rude, it's bad manners, it's not exactly losing with dignity, but most of all, it makes no sense.  Thanks.

Have a nice day. 

walesboy

+1000 to tikays post
Like me your playing the micro stakes and sometimes I've got my mouth wide open with the play, but you get all types playing here from those trying to play "properly" to those playing for fun.
You just have to adapt to their play and admit that sometimes you mangle hands aswell (like I do). With your first hand you should have raised to at least 20p with the queens which might/should have seen them fold.

Also have to learn that the poker gods giveth and they taketh away. Sometimes you'll get lucky, sometimes they do. Nothing is 100% certain whatever your hand. Like the second hand - very very unlucky.
Make use of the notes facility against that player so you know for next time.

Good luck

Ms_Chips

In Response to Re: What a joke this is!:

Threads like this make we want to weep. Only in poker do players bemoan the fact that their opponents are bad. Honestly, you could not make it up. I'd love to help these guys who are complaining, I really would, & I could, but until people understand sample size, & how poker works, I'd be flogging a dead horse. I get more PM's, more FB questions, more Posts on "Ask tikay", than anything else, saying "how could he call?". All of which miss the point completely. But here's some stuff which may help, though I fancy I'm not going to make much progress.   Sample Size. Never take a view on one hand, one session, one evening, one week, or even one month. A fair sample size to judge your luck & ability is tens of thousands of hands , not one hand. This is a fact, not an opinion. Quality of Opponent. The worse your opponent, the more money you will win over time. The better your opponent, the less you will win. Play poker against Ivey & Co, & they'll skin you alive.  Play poker against worse players, & you'll do OK. Focusing on bad plays by others. Don't. Just don't. That's it, do not do it. Why would you? It's their money, they can do as they wish. They can call with ANYTHING if they so desire. It's none of my or your business how badly they play, because it is their money. Beating the game. Beating the game is simple. Here's how to do it. a) Play against inferior opposition. b) Play technically good poker. Which is very simple to do . Just do the basics correctly, & consistently. Thats all. Being beaten by the game. Anyone who worries about bad play by opponents will lose money in poker. Bad plays by opponents mean those guys win, say, 1 hand in 5 by playing badly. Which means that, over time, we will win 4 hands in 5.   We cannot have our cake & eat it. LET the bad guy play bad, he is your profit. Over time . PS - PLEASE don't call our arguably less skilled opponents "idiots". It's rude, it's bad manners, it's not exactly losing with dignity, but most of all, it makes no sense.  Thanks. Have a nice day. 
Posted by Tikay10

Probably the most poetic 'Man up honey'dry your eyes m8' I've seen, not far away from what my husband would say to my son. But thats what seperates girls like me from great poker technicans.

Great post for someone who needs it. I shall try to be more subtle.

Read Loads more books on poker and good luck.

DOHHHHHHH

You claim to be a good player - you aren't.

You say you are new to the game - this is very clear by the way you play.

1) The time you have spent in this thread berating other peoples play, would be much better spent trying to look at the mistakes you have made in the above hands.

2) There are professional players, as well as experienced micro stakes players who post in the poker clinic daily. I advise you post the hands there, asking for help with your play, and you will stop making silly mistakes and have a better understanding of the game in no time.

You will look back on this post and laugh in a month.

We've all been there.

Good Luck

Sky_Dave

I only have one word of advice to do with the top hand with QQ.

'Raise'.

All jesting aside, limping in with a premium hand in a three way pot which you're destined to play out of position for the entire hand is just asking for trouble.

lordbobby

my day started with a f house losing to quads at 10am... 6's beaten by 65. 9's bt by 6-10 straight etc. done with this ****. 2 days where you aint i the twighlight zone then the same usual ****