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worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.

The_Don90The_Don90
edited November 2010 in Area 51
I make a loose call pre, the raiser had been raising most pots, so i decided to call and if i hit an A/clubs i get into the driving seat. Flop comes a treat and with 2 shoves me perfect, right? oops dam suckout,
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
PEDRO10 Small blind  15.00 15.00 1835.00
FOLEYBOY1 Big blind  30.00 45.00 3205.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • 5
     
The_Don90 Call  30.00 75.00 2300.00
mogsy1957 Call  30.00 105.00 2295.00
DELTA Fold     
billyboy67 Call  30.00 135.00 2350.00
PEDRO10 Call  15.00 150.00 1820.00
FOLEYBOY1 Raise  120.00 270.00 3085.00
The_Don90 Call  120.00 390.00 2180.00
mogsy1957 Call  120.00 510.00 2175.00
billyboy67 Call  120.00 630.00 2230.00
PEDRO10 Call  120.00 750.00 1700.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • 9
  • 6
     
PEDRO10 All-in  1700.00 2450.00 0.00
FOLEYBOY1 All-in  3085.00 5535.00 0.00
The_Don90 All-in  2180.00 7715.00 0.00
mogsy1957 Fold     
billyboy67 Fold     
FOLEYBOY1 Unmatched bet  905.00 6810.00 905.00
PEDRO10 Show
  • 4
  • K
   
FOLEYBOY1 Show
  • A
  • A
   
The_Don90 Show
  • A
  • 5
   
Turn
   
  • 4
     
River
   
  • 4
     
PEDRO10 Win Full House, 4s and Kings 5850.00  5850.00
The_Don90 Win Flush to the Ace 960.00  960.00
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    this about somes up my day, surley this call cant be made for the sake of defending 600 taking stacks into account.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    LEECFC Small blind  150.00 150.00 2190.00
    The_Don90 Big blind  300.00 450.00 1350.00
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    goane Fold     
    FROSTYJACK Fold     
    royrogers Fold     
    bad4biss Fold     
    LEECFC Raise  450.00 900.00 1740.00
    The_Don90 All-in  1350.00 2250.00 0.00
    LEECFC Call  1050.00 3300.00 690.00
    LEECFC Show
    • 2
    • J
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 2
    • 6
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    LEECFC Win Flush to the Jack 3300.00  3990.00
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  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk
    edited November 2010
    Suited = the nuts ;-)
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67
    edited November 2010
    Ffs THIS kind of a suckout (as usual btw) IS why sooooo many of us ARE gettin really really peeeed off with this site
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  • lordbobbylordbobby
    edited November 2010
    had a nasty incident myself tonight mate hang in there.. you'll probably win 2 multi's on tuesdays :)
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    had a nasty incident myself tonight mate hang in there.. you'll probably win 2 multi's on tuesdays :)
    Posted by lordbobby
    thats if i have enough br left by then :(
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    and another second hand into a dym, pretty much just a very sick cooler, almost looks like its designed for me to stack.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    barneyboy Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00
    The_Don90 Big blind  20.00 30.00 2010.00
      Your hole cards
    • 6
    • K
    		     
    stralis Fold     
    rickieb1 Fold     
    hardyt20 Fold     
    hansol Fold     
    barneyboy Call  10.00 40.00 1960.00
    The_Don90 Check     
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 6
    • 2
    		     
    barneyboy Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  40.00 80.00 1970.00
    barneyboy Call  40.00 120.00 1920.00
    Turn
       
    • 5
    		     
    barneyboy Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  180.00 300.00 1790.00
    barneyboy Call  180.00 480.00 1740.00
    River
       
    • 2
    		     
    barneyboy Check     
    The_Don90 Bet  360.00 840.00 1430.00
    barneyboy All-in  1740.00 2580.00 0.00
    The_Don90 Call  1380.00 3960.00 50.00
    barneyboy Show
    • 6
    • 5
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • 6
    • K
    		   
    barneyboy Win Full House, 6s and 5s 3960.00  3960.00
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  • demondavedemondave
    edited November 2010
    In Response to worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    I make a loose call pre, the raiser had been raising most pots, so i decided to call and if i hit an A/clubs i get into the driving seat. Flop comes a treat and with 2 shoves me perfect, right? oops dam suckout, Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance PEDRO10 Small blind   15.00 15.00 1835.00 FOLEYBOY1 Big blind   30.00 45.00 3205.00   Your hole cards A 5       The_Don90 Call   30.00 75.00 2300.00 mogsy1957 Call   30.00 105.00 2295.00 DELTA Fold         billyboy67 Call   30.00 135.00 2350.00 PEDRO10 Call   15.00 150.00 1820.00 FOLEYBOY1 Raise   120.00 270.00 3085.00 The_Don90 Call   120.00 390.00 2180.00 mogsy1957 Call   120.00 510.00 2175.00 billyboy67 Call   120.00 630.00 2230.00 PEDRO10 Call   120.00 750.00 1700.00 Flop     K 9 6       PEDRO10 All-in   1700.00 2450.00 0.00 FOLEYBOY1 All-in   3085.00 5535.00 0.00 The_Don90 All-in   2180.00 7715.00 0.00 mogsy1957 Fold         billyboy67 Fold         FOLEYBOY1 Unmatched bet   905.00 6810.00 905.00 PEDRO10 Show 4 K       FOLEYBOY1 Show A A       The_Don90 Show A 5       Turn     4       River     4       PEDRO10 Win Full House, 4s and Kings 5850.00   5850.00 The_Don90 Win Flush to the Ace 960.00   960.00
    Posted by The_Don90
    This hand is so so sick, what are the percentages on this hand anybody ???
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    In Response to worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded. : This hand is so so sick, what are the percentages on this hand anybody ???
    Posted by demondave
    pre flop AA is 70% both me and K4 are 10-15%

    Flop im 97%.

    Turn - 90% - AA drawing dead
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  • lordbobbylordbobby
    edited November 2010
    like you say mate couldn't draw it up any better to get your chips... i'm never good at shrugging that sorta thing off (only time i've got deep in the primo my aq bt by a5 on the riv'.. finished 16th... ruined me for about a month).. speaking from what i've played with ya you're doing the right stuff at the right time.. it just ain't sticking right now.. mark my words, you'll have your hands on rich's balls yet :)
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  • lordbobbylordbobby
    edited November 2010
    and that k4 shove is terrible but they got vvvvvvvvvvv lucky.. over time that won't pay off.
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  • shelskishelski
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    and that k4 shove is terrible but they got vvvvvvvvvvv lucky.. over time that won't pay off.
    Posted by lordbobby
    Really ? Does that mean it's -ev then ?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded. : Really ? Does that mean it's -ev then ?
    Posted by shelski
    well the opponent is 1.1% against any two clubs on this flop so its almost a massivley non-profitable play.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    yup bad run gets worse
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_Don90 Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £7.80
    jason2012 Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £4.21
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    SkyHD Call  £0.08 £0.20 £9.79
    TrudyWoo Raise  £0.30 £0.50 £14.47
    The_Don90 Call  £0.26 £0.76 £7.54
    jason2012 Fold     
    SkyHD Call  £0.22 £0.98 £9.57
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 6
    • 7
    		     
    The_Don90 Check     
    SkyHD Check     
    TrudyWoo Bet  £0.32 £1.30 £14.15
    The_Don90 Raise  £1.13 £2.43 £6.41
    SkyHD Call  £1.13 £3.56 £8.44
    TrudyWoo Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    The_Don90 Bet  £2.67 £6.23 £3.74
    SkyHD Raise  £5.34 £11.57 £3.10
    The_Don90 Call  £2.67 £14.24 £1.07
    River
       
    • 2
    		     
    The_Don90 All-in  £1.07 £15.31 £0.00
    SkyHD Call  £1.07 £16.38 £2.03
    The_Don90 Show
    • 7
    • 7
    		   
    SkyHD Show
    • 8
    • 5
    		   
    SkyHD Win Straight to the 9 £15.16  £17.19
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    Ffs THIS kind of a suckout (as usual btw) IS why sooooo many of us ARE gettin really really peeeed off with this site
    Posted by debdobs_67
    Surely you see that in order to fix your perceived problem I.E the suckouts then Sky would actually have to do what people have a go at them for??? the only way to stop this happening is to Fix the game??? wouldn't that be worse than luck and fate playing their games?
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    yup bad run gets worse Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance The_Don90 Small blind   £0.04 £0.04 £7.80 jason2012 Big blind   £0.08 £0.12 £4.21   Your hole cards 7 7       SkyHD Call   £0.08 £0.20 £9.79 TrudyWoo Raise   £0.30 £0.50 £14.47 The_Don90 Call   £0.26 £0.76 £7.54 jason2012 Fold         SkyHD Call   £0.22 £0.98 £9.57 Flop     Q 6 7       The_Don90 Check         SkyHD Check         TrudyWoo Bet   £0.32 £1.30 £14.15 The_Don90 Raise   £1.13 £2.43 £6.41 SkyHD Call   £1.13 £3.56 £8.44 TrudyWoo Fold         Turn     9       The_Don90 Bet   £2.67 £6.23 £3.74 SkyHD Raise   £5.34 £11.57 £3.10 The_Don90 Call   £2.67 £14.24 £1.07 River     2       The_Don90 All-in   £1.07 £15.31 £0.00 SkyHD Call   £1.07 £16.38 £2.03 The_Don90 Show 7 7       SkyHD Show 8 5       SkyHD Win Straight to the 9 £15.16   £17.19
    Posted by The_Don90
    Think this one plays out as you may expect at this level, They raise it and you flat. They flop a draw and will continue fishing for it (people playing micro tend to im afraid). This is the reason you will get paid, making players at this level pay to not make their draws, unfortunatly when they do make them your in trouble
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    no one can justify this play surely. To make it worse its a dym.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Chepito Small blind  25.00 25.00 2450.00
    fatboy67 Big blind  50.00 75.00 1100.00
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
    		     
    chabs Call  50.00 125.00 3050.00
    timotie40 Fold     
    BananaDog Fold     
    The_Don90 Raise  150.00 275.00 1685.00
    Chepito Fold     
    fatboy67 Call  100.00 375.00 1000.00
    chabs Call  100.00 475.00 2950.00
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 8
    • 2
    		     
    fatboy67 All-in  1000.00 1475.00 0.00
    chabs Fold     
    The_Don90 Call  1000.00 2475.00 685.00
    fatboy67 Show
    • 10
    • 4
    		   
    The_Don90 Show
    • 9
    • 9
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    River
       
    • 5
    		     
    fatboy67 Win Straight to the 6 2475.00  2475.00
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited November 2010
    he's just calling in the hope to catch and a flush draw is good enough, don't like it obv and you were just unlucky to get outdrawn, i prob would have raised to 200 -250 pre because of the limper but other than that it's bad luck
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  • KAM99KAM99
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded. : pre flop AA is 70% both me and K4 are 10-15% Flop im 97%. Turn - 90% - AA drawing dead
    Posted by The_Don90
    Not totally accurate as you are only counting 3 hands that saw the river. Not the ones that folded the flop, and this really puts your "loose call" in its true light.

    9,416,044,092 games 21.576 secs 436,412,870 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 09.694% 09.31% 00.39% 876468250 36361850.23 { Ks4d }Hand 1: 57.634% 57.27% 00.37% 5392693647 34608693.23 { AhAs }Hand 2: 09.581% 09.11% 00.48% 857361209 44858591.23 { Ac5c }Hand 3: 10.177% 09.76% 00.42% 918716322 39636869.73 { random }Hand 4: 12.915% 12.40% 00.51% 1167777831 48411496.57 { random }

    Against the 3 hands you were right though pretty much. preflop against those hands you are as follows.

    1,370,754 games 0.001 secs 1,370,754,000 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 11.261% 11.15% 00.11% 152854 1508.67 { Ks4d }Hand 1: 75.246% 74.76% 00.48% 1024815 6626.17 { AhAs }Hand 2: 13.493% 13.01% 00.48% 178324 6626.17 { Ac5c }
    So while I can see you love the flop and got sucked out on, its really not great play this early limping UTG with a garbage hand looking to hit a mircle 120:1 flop, and worse calling a raise with it for those same odds. Sure, counting in possible 2 pair and straight/flush draws on the flop its lower, but still bad. So while you can bemoan others bad play in this hand I'd be looking at it as a leak some what in your own game to eliminate.

    Thats my thoughts on it, feel free to disagree. :)    　---
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited November 2010
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded.:
    In Response to Re: worst donk shove in history? and of coarse it gets rewarded. : Not totally accurate as you are only counting 3 hands that saw the river. Not the ones that folded the flop, and this really puts your "loose call" in its true light. 9,416,044,092 games 21.576 secs 436,412,870 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 09.694% 09.31% 00.39% 876468250 36361850.23 { Ks4d } Hand 1: 57.634% 57.27% 00.37% 5392693647 34608693.23 { AhAs } Hand 2: 09.581% 09.11% 00.48% 857361209 44858591.23 { Ac5c } Hand 3: 10.177% 09.76% 00.42% 918716322 39636869.73 { random }Hand 4: 12.915% 12.40% 00.51% 1167777831 48411496.57 { random } Against the 3 hands you were right though pretty much. preflop against those hands you are as follows. 1,370,754 games 0.001 secs 1,370,754,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 11.261% 11.15% 00.11% 152854 1508.67 { Ks4d } Hand 1: 75.246% 74.76% 00.48% 1024815 6626.17 { AhAs } Hand 2: 13.493% 13.01% 00.48% 178324 6626.17 { Ac5c } So while I can see you love the flop and got sucked out on, its really not great play this early limping UTG with a garbage hand looking to hit a mircle 120:1 flop, and worse calling a raise with it for those same odds. Sure, counting in possible 2 pair and straight/flush draws on the flop its lower, but still bad. So while you can bemoan others bad play in this hand I'd be looking at it as a leak some what in your own game to eliminate. Thats my thoughts on it, feel free to disagree. :) 　 ---
    Posted by KAM99
    Kam i do agree. In honesty the guy with AA has raised that many pots i wanted a HU pot with him with an A in hand, I didnt really realise how much this play was terrible till afterwards. Looking back i played pre flop terrible. Got lucky then very unlucky lol.

    One of those init
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