found a good cash fish good start to the day

ckd

 i went on a 4p 8p cash table and found that player every1 wants to find

 raises up on junk every time 

 sat down with 2 quid and got a double up within a few hands from him 

 last hand i had 8h7d he raised to 40p i called due to his play

 flop come 9h 5h ks

 he bets 98p      im thinking he any 2 as usuall so i call

 turn 6h so i hit my straight  he goes all in i call   he shows kc 3c

 river comes 7h  for my straight flush

 after the hand finnished he was calling me a donk a fish and everything else

 i feel i played it well   with the fact of the hands be4 what he was playing  

 was i right to call him

scotty77

no

ckd

 why was it not right

 this player was raising with any 2 all the way throught it so to me it was the right call but if not id like to know y it wasent

scotty77

first of all sit down with the maximum.

87o is a junk hand.  'you called due to his play'  no you called cos you was getting frustrated and wanted to hit.  did you seriously expect 87o to be ahead here?  i don't know.

flop we have a gutshot, we ahvea  3.50 stack and £1 to call to hit our gutshot.  assuming all outs are clean then we are paying roughly 2/1 to hit an 11/1 shot.  on the flop it will be far better to go all in, at least we give ourselves 2 chances to win the hand.  and if he has been playing as mental as you say, then most of the time he has Q6o and will fold.

once we hit then ok get it in.

yb

What scotty said.

Calling to hit a gutshot because the villain is playing any two makes no sense. 8 high is never good so all that matters is whether you were getting the right price to hit your draw, which you weren't.

Macacan

Would you have called on 10nl or higher? if not, there's your answer. As loose as this guy is, you don't know what he's holding. Which from his point is always good.  There's a number of players that drop down to these levels, and play very loose to encourage  such bad calls. Although you got lucky, in the long run its going to cost you.

On a separate note, i personally don't like to pick out the way someone plays. If they read your post, it highlights the leaks or how bad their game is. Which will only encourage them to play better next time you meet.

Good Luck

Mac

shelski

In Response to found a good cash fish good start to the day:

 i went on a 4p 8p cash table and found that player every1 wants to find  raises up on junk every time   sat down with 2 quid and got a double up within a few hands from him   last hand i had 8h7d he raised to 40p i called due to his play  flop come 9h 5h ks  he bets 98p      im thinking he any 2 as usuall so i call  turn 6h so i hit my straight  he goes all in i call   he shows kc 3c  river comes 7h  for my straight flush  after the hand finnished he was calling me a donk a fish and everything else  i feel i played it well   with the fact of the hands be4 what he was playing    was i right to call him
Posted by ckd

It's not wrong, you can do as you please. You were 23.74% to win on that flop. What do you reckon ? If Dwan does it it's a genius move. Ultimately i think it's fine if you don't moan if you lose the hand.
Great avatar btw. Are you a monk, assassin or both ?

ckd

 ty all for your input

 i dont play much cash on here so all of it helps

 i just thought with the way he was playing i was in good shape

 seen him push all in with 24o 35o all in with 23o

 i called the folp bet thinking if i hit 7 8 6 i would be good might even be good with 8 high ( i know it sounds silly 8 high but as i said above 24o 35o 23o ) the reason i didnt push all in was i didnt want him to fold

i had about 7 quid at the time and they had about 2 so i was happy for the gamble with it i think

ty again for the input and gl at the tables all

ckd

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to found a good cash fish good start to the day : It's not wrong, you can do as you please. You were 23.74% to win on that flop. What do you reckon ? If Dwan does it it's a genius move. Ultimately i think it's fine if you don't moan if you lose the hand. Great avatar btw. Are you a monk, assassin or both ?
Posted by shelski

lol ty

YOUNG_GUN

ckd as scotty said; little note if you tighten up against any 2 players you will stack them more. you were incredibly lucky that hand and i agree you played it like a donk(no offense) calling 5 x bb 78 off against anyone is bad

still you learn from posting so take note good luck at the tables

also like the avatar :P

debdobs_67

I dont mind the call pre actually as ive seen that lots of times even at the high stakes level BUT the call on the flop is defo awful and a BIG loser in the long run,xxx

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

 ty all for your input  i dont play much cash on here so all of it helps  i just thought with the way he was playing i was in good shape  seen him push all in with 24o 35o all in with 23o  i called the folp bet thinking if i hit 7 8 6 i would be good might even be good with 8 high ( i know it sounds silly 8 high but as i said above 24o 35o 23o ) the reason i didnt push all in was i didnt want him to fold i had about 7 quid at the time and they had about 2 so i was happy for the gamble with it i think ty again for the input and gl at the tables all
Posted by ckd

U had 8 high and u didnt want him to fold????

If 8 high is a hand you are happy to play/bet for value, then almost every single hand you're gona have 8 high or better, so I think we can let this one go, and wait for a better spot, maybe ten high....or jack high to make sure.

scotty77

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

I dont mind the call pre actually as ive seen that lots of times even at the high stakes level BUT the call on the flop is defo awful and a BIG loser in the long run,xxx
Posted by debdobs_67

no decent high stakes reg is gonna be calling with 78o shallow stacked

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : no decent high stakes reg is gonna be calling with 78o shallow stacked
Posted by scotty77

Then my guess is ive been watching the not decent ones then ;o) xxx

The_Don90

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : U had 8 high and u didnt want him to fold???? If 8 high is a hand you are happy to play/bet for value, then almost every single hand you're gona have 8 high or better, so I think we can let this one go, and wait for a better spot, maybe ten high....or jack high to make sure.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

looooooooool

sorry ckd but the kids got a point

ckd

 all fair comments ty

 usally would fold it  maybe i did play it bad but it was just down to the way the other player was playing i thought i was in with a shot

 again ty all for your input on this     gives a chance to learn so ty

The_Don90

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

 all fair comments ty  usally would fold it  maybe i did play it bad but it was just down to the way the other player was playing i thought i was in with a shot  again ty all for your input on this     gives a chance to learn so ty
Posted by ckd

Hey mate all LOLing aside.

Dont try to play the player at these levels, they just suck in general. Play the cards keep it simple.

P.S. I also fall into this trap countless times, thats why i can go bust so easily. Tilt is such a wounderful thing. Also start full stacked, i remember our HU the other day, yes your a good short stacker, but think of the money you could make if every time you double up you get 100BI's

stien

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : Then my guess is ive been watching the not decent ones then ;o) xxx
Posted by debdobs_67

I'm not sure who you've been watching but the call pf was terrible, the trn call was shocking and yes it was the play of a donk. In response to the earlier post referencing Dwan, he doesn't play 2p/4p, he's playing deep stack poker and most importantly he's a genius and knows where he is in a hand better than most on the planet.

debdobs_67

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : I'm not sure who you've been watching but the call pf was terrible, the trn call was shocking and yes it was the play of a donk. In response to the earlier post referencing Dwan, he doesn't play 2p/4p, he's playing deep stack poker and most importantly he's a genius and knows where he is in a hand better than most on the planet.
Posted by stien

Haha if only i WAS allowed to tell you eh? tbh ive seen it at nearly every level and i am sure YOU have probably seen it as well,xxx

shelski

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : I'm not sure who you've been watching but the call pf was terrible, the trn call was shocking and yes it was the play of a donk. In response to the earlier post referencing Dwan, he doesn't play 2p/4p, he's playing deep stack poker and most importantly he's a genius and knows where he is in a hand better than most on the planet.
Posted by stien

Quite possibly so. However i saw him call a re- re-raise all in once with 7-8 os on a board of 3-4-5 rainbow against pocket 9's. Turn and river 6-6. Genius metagame bluff with outs , maybe forcing fold on polarised board went wrong then pot odds with the overs ! ?
In a way this hand reminded me of that one from about a year ago. 2p/4p or $200/400. Poker is a weird game.
I mean in this hand ckd's opponent was happy all in with tp 3k. Ckd knew he was full of it which was correct. Good read ? I think that ckd was involved in a play the person trap. Sometimes poker gets like this. I've been sucked in a few times. Not saying it's right at all but i understand it. Calling off bets with outs to the nuts when NOT getting the correct odds can be important against certain people sometimes.
I think in this instance, if you want to play sick puppy head game poker then ckd played better than Dwan. At least he could fold the turn if he missed or didn't pick up a better draw.
Ckd was trying to win. That is really important. But, OBV. he got lucky and got paid. Just like Dwan did. Know what i mean ?

cottlad

Has everyone missed that he flopped a straight flush draw here?
Wake up peoples! 

shelski

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

Has everyone missed that he flopped a straight flush draw here? Wake up peoples! 
Posted by cottlad

Added value, yes !

cottlad

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In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : An orford str8 flush draw perhaps ?
Posted by shelski

What's an Orford SFD?

YOUNG_GUN

He means Orford STD surely? ;-)

shelski

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In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : What's an Orford SFD?
Posted by cottlad

Runner runner.

shelski

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He means Orford STD surely? ;-)
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Don't start trouble with this cat again you vicious WUM. I still remember the 9-7 os !!!!!!!!!!!!!

cottlad

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In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : Runner runner.
Posted by shelski

Have another read of OP

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : Don't start trouble with this cat again you vicious WUM. I still remember the 9-7 os !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by shelski

I do not remember so cant of happened lol no need to bump it, was once ever :P im such a nit lol

scotty77

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In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : Have another read of OP
Posted by cottlad

he had 8h 7d

flop 9h 5h Kx

cottlad

oh wow i checked that like 5 times to make sure i wasn't missing something lol.
i'll get me coat! 

ACESOVER8s

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day:

In Response to Re: found a good cash fish good start to the day : Haha if only i WAS allowed to tell you eh? tbh ive seen it at nearly every level and i am sure YOU have probably seen it as well,xxx
Posted by debdobs_67

I'm sure you've seen the cards played at each level but not shallow stacked to call a raise pre flop, which is the point people are making. Sometimes higher up the cards will be played.... but played with a plan, Deepstacked to raise against people they see weakness in not to call raises pre with the intention to call behind...get lucky and call an all in. as far as plans go that one sucks:)