this is why part 2

lucky77777 · November 2010

another limper with bullets

Flop
	Small blind		15.00	15.00	4915.00
	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4970.00
	Your hole cards	J 10
	Call		30.00	75.00	4685.00
	Fold
lucky77777	Call		30.00	105.00	5450.00
	Raise		90.00	195.00	3345.00
	Fold
	Fold
	Call		60.00	255.00	4625.00
lucky77777	Call		60.00	315.00	5390.00
		J J 9
	Bet		30.00	345.00	4595.00
lucky77777	Call		30.00	375.00	5360.00
	Raise		180.00	555.00	3165.00
	Call		150.00	705.00	4445.00
lucky77777	Call		150.00	855.00	5210.00
Turn
		4
	Check
lucky77777	Check
	Bet		855.00	1710.00	2310.00
	Fold
lucky77777	Call		855.00	2565.00	4355.00
River
		3
lucky77777	Check
	All-in		2310.00	4875.00	0.00
lucky77777	Call		2310.00	7185.00	2045.00
lucky77777	Show	J 10
	Show	A A
lucky77777	Win	Three Jacks	7185.00

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

R u serious lucy?

You said u've been playing poker for 20 years?

And you still don't understand why you should raise a sensible amount pre flop with pocket aces when deep-stacked?

I learnt this within 5 minutes of being introduced to the game.

lucky77777 · November 2010

if that player goes allin pree i fold then hes still in for next hand its a tourney to biuld your chips he min raised and let me hit and believe me i know alot about poker more than you think i do

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

You know nothing.

Amazingly, after 20 years of playing you still don't understand.

You do know that to win a tournament, you need to get every single chip in play?

How are you going to do that, if you make everyone fold when you have the nuts?

lucky77777 · November 2010

but you do get players calling cos i have been donked a phew times but lose on pree allin is just unlucky

jamielou · November 2010

There's obviously no changing his mind on how he plays. People post in here for advice but give the middle finger back to that good advice.

The idea is to extract the maximum, and by shoving with 5,000 chips when the blinds are 75/150, your not really gaining anything. You want to entice someone into the pot, you want their chips, you're not enticing them with a shove and your not getting their chips. That defeats the point of the game we're playing.

Plus a lot of people now know if you shove with 5,000 chips and the blinds are meaningless, you have aces.

Mix it up a bit. Dont go into the hand thinking your going to lose just because you 3x raised pre instead of shoving. You dont want your opponants to know what you have. More often than not your going to win with them. There'll be times where you shove with them and get called by KK and they hit their set, it happens, but either way you are going to win more than you lose.

lucky77777 · November 2010

lou i am not stickin my middle finger up at anyone i am just saying in my view aa should be played allin preeflop and like i have said i have been allin preeflop and been called and beat a phew times one was by 23

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

Lucy.........

It's one of the few things in poker, that isn't even debatable.

It's not even close.

I know you play micro stakes deepstacks, so occasionally you will get lucky and someone will put all their chips in stupidly against your AA when you shove.......

But even raising 10/15 or even 20xbb is better than just shoving.

You are allowed to fold AA after the flop you know? On scary boards?

GREGHOGG · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

lou i am not stickin my middle finger up at anyone i am just saying in my view aa should be played allin preeflop and like i have said i have been allin preeflop and been called and beat a phew times one was by 23
Posted by lucky77777

Do you always play aces this way Lucky?

Because if you do, i really think you need to look at this... you are losing out on a lot of value.

Imo its is important to see a flop against 1 or 2 opponants with AA, and depending on the board and betting it is foldable post flop. To shove pre and hope they call is just not a good way of playing it m8.

Thin the field pre by raising it up nice, but don't lose your customer (s)!

BlackFish3 · November 2010

Raise the flop imo.

bandini · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

You know nothing. Amazingly, after 20 years of playing you still don't understand. You do know that to win a tournament, you need to get every single chip in play? How are you going to do that, if you make everyone fold when you have the nuts?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Lucky777.

One question.

Who won that HU game between you and Dohlicious?

Just wondering.

;-)

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

Why do I do this to myself blondie eh?

Just finished playing, looking at the forum, and I've had a pop at Lucy, and the primo winner, neither of which I can remember doing, and I'll have to do it all again when I wake up.

So for now Lucy, ur a donk.

Will say sorry tomorrow, but u'll still be a donk.

Nighttttttt xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

bandini · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

Why do I do this to myself blondie eh? Just finished playing, looking at the forum, and I've had a pop at Lucy, and the primo winner, neither of which I can remember doing, and I'll have to do it all again when I wake up. So for now Lucy, ur a donk. Will say sorry tomorrow, but u'll still be a donk. Nighttttttt xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Likewise.

Lolu and SimUK, you're donks.

Nighty, nighty sweet dreams all. xxxxxx

Working on Monday ftw!

lucky77777 · November 2010

yes night night donk

The_Don90 · November 2010

Lucky, now i know your a good player. ive seen you run deep in deepies more times than a care to count. But something tells me if you learnt to play AA KK type hands properly as DOHHHH says then youd be winning so many of them.

OK lets look at this hand. I dont particularlly like your limp call with J10 here. And the check calling down i hate too. We flop JJJ on the flop only J9 JQ+ and 99 beat us, but theres two spades and straight draws out there. Can you imagine being offered these kind of odds with 10Q or 108 or two spades, expessially to the donk bet of 30?

Ok so we'd miss our draw but still.

Anyways, the turn, agian still draw heavy stick a little raise in for some value,.

And on the river take the lead, if im your opponent here i check the bullets behind, even if you got a busted flush draw id still feel comfortsable checking and losing value incase (as you did here) you have the Jack.

lucky77777 · November 2010

hi don if i raise with 10-j the player who has the aa surely would put a re-raise in so i called he put a min raise so i got 30 in got to protect it and called other 60 for the flop and what happens i hit big time so then i say right what has the raiser got to put in so another player in hand bets 30 i dont want to give my hand away so i flat call the aa re-raises to 180 150 more the turn comes a blank red card 4d bearing in mind any straight or flush draws a f/h beats then aa bets out 855 then a fold i flat call for river a blank 3h i check he goes allin easy call for me

but as for 10-j i dont always like em and so by not playin 10-j everytime i am in fact mixing the hands i play

one thing about poker u must have plenty of confidence in your cards u hold and getting to know other players moves thats why the deepstacks are good games to play cos each game is diff untill u see your cards u get dealt u take the game from then sometimes play loads of flops sometimes see less flops and or a couple on the trot of each way to play and most cashes i have had has been from low stacked so i have proved that no need for even going out of ds in first hour and in my case if u dont want to lose with aa then allin preeflop ftw

and ty for your comment not bragging or anything but if i had a bigger bankroll i would mix it with the very best but untill then got to stay in my bankroll range

YOUNG_GUN · November 2010

Lucky silly call that hand u got lucky by name and by nature, Raise with aces not all in!

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

if i had a bigger bankroll i would mix it with the very best but untill then got to stay in my bankroll range
Posted by lucky77777

If you had played pocket aces properly for 20 years, maybe you would have.

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

Lucky, now i know your a good player. ive seen you run deep in deepies more times than a care to count. But something tells me if you learnt to play AA KK type hands properly as DOHHHH says then youd be winning so many of them. OK lets look at this hand.
Posted by The_Don90

Miss - read.

lucky77777 · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

Lucky silly call that hand u got lucky by name and by nature, Raise with aces not all in!
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

he let me hit cheap if i miss the flop i am more or less gone to any bet and aint poker alot of luck involved

The_Don90 · November 2010

Hey lucky

Yea i see your point, but ig you say raise to 90 (meaning we dont price in 72os or offering the BB a check) and AA re-raises to say 240-320 region then we know where we at.

Say this flop comes - 47J

where are we and what do we do????

Mohican · November 2010

Two limpers who i know are limp calling with a wide range so I make a decent raise and one calls.
As you can see, reraises me but i've got him on a K so I call. If I'd gone all on pre,
they go away. As it is, i virtually stack him by making a raise pre flop.

Flop
Mohican	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£10.07
player	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£1.92
	Your hole cards	A A
player	Fold
player	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£5.28
villian	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£10.18
Mohican	Raise		£0.50	£0.85	£9.57
player	Fold
player	Fold
villian	Call		£0.45	£1.30	£9.73
		K 9 4
Mohican	Bet		£1.30	£2.60	£8.27
villian	All-in		£9.73	£12.33	£0.00
Mohican	All-in		£8.27	£20.60	£0.00
villian	Unmatched bet		£0.16	£20.44	£0.16
Mohican	Show	A A
villian	Show	8 K
Turn
		9
River
		6
Mohican	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 9s	£19.04		£19.04

The_Don90 · November 2010

spot on mate

debdobs_67 · November 2010

Every player who is an even half decent player should KNOW how to play aces,mohicans hand IS the defo way to play them,i suppose the only other way is when you are a bit short at the end stages of an mtt and you have several big stacks on the table then you can shove pre with them as you are likely to get a caller who thinks you are shoving with anything,xxx

The_Don90 · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

Every player who is an even half decent player should KNOW how to play aces,mohicans hand IS the defo way to play them,i suppose the only other way is when you are a bit short at the end stages of an mtt and you have several big stacks on the table then you can shove pre with them as you are likely to get a caller who thinks you are shoving with anything,xxx
Posted by debdobs_67

fully agreed. As i shove any two at the end of an MTT big stack or not id shove AA pre then as not to make it obvious i have bullets, but thats because of the way i play the bubble, FT etc. Also it means that if it is called, then my next 2 or 3 shoves look stronger anyways.

DOHHHHHHH · November 2010

Lucy's theory Is made a million times worse, by her advertising on the forum what she has when she opens for 250xbb pre, and then shows the hand at the table.

Alot of "successful" micro stakes deep-stack players are deluded, and get false hope from their limited success in these tournaments.

If you don't play a hand for 2 hours (sit out), you WILL finish in the top 15% of the field almost every time.

There are some good players who play them, and emerge as really talented players who can go on to play at a higher level (the most recent being Wacko90) - But kidding yourself and refusing to work at improving your game because "you do well in an awful tournament" isn't gonna help u in the long term.

This thread, and the attitude of the OP (a successful £2.20 deepy player) towards pocket aces, highlights the flaws in this format. It really is like -1 level poker.

HITMAN_RV · November 2010

In Response to Re: this is why part 2:

Lucy's theory Is made a million times worse, by her advertising on the forum what she has when she opens for 250xbb pre, and then shows the hand at the table. Alot of "successful" micro stakes deep-stack players are deluded, and get false hope from their limited success in these tournaments. If you don't play a hand for 2 hours (sit out), you WILL finish in the top 15% of the field almost every time. There are some good players who play them, and emerge as really talented players who can go on to play at a higher level (the most recent being Wacko90) - But kidding yourself and refusing to work at improving your game because "you do well in an awful tournament" isn't gonna help u in the long term. This thread, and the attitude of the OP (a successful £2.20 deepy player) towards pocket aces, highlights the flaws in this format. It really is like -1 level poker.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

""Lucy's theory Is made a million times worse, by her ''ADVERTISING'' on the forum what she has when she opens for 250xbb pre, and then shows the hand at the table.""

OR VERY CLEVER ME THINKS [meybe] !!!

PS NICE Hand Mo!! Hope the Charity is still 'Earning' and due a big win soon meself LOL

this is why part 2

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