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Pays your money you takes your chances, same as anywhere. How is that a reflection on the site??
The youth of today seem to start everything so much younger nowadays sheesh
Another 1 who has clearly missed the point (again), the point is he is willing to gamble at 40% for his tourney within the 1st 20 mins, I knew he had a flush draw and he knew I had an overpair, if your willing to call of your tourney on a draw early with only 40% at best, gl with ur quest.
p.s I dont need a pot odds calc, it's quite simple really every out is approx 2.5%
Just for you (again), this isn't a bb post re the guys allin call , I'm highlighting the problem with this site (hence the title), I'm questioning the standard of play ??, the button has called a raise, then re-raise with A rag against 2 (not 1 but 2) pre flop agressers and is still willin to put his tourney on the line early doors on a draw knowing he may be dead to anything but the diamond.
move up levels imo
fwiw it was a tourney not cash, there no level to move up to.
Its not as though the site appeals to a certain player style or skill level. Players will play however they like whereever they like, how can you criticise the host site in relation to this??????
Also you talk of villain getting his chips in in first 20mins 40/60 on a flush draw. One of you is doubling through by 3rd level! Its a good thing.
Despite this you give the guy a decision by backing him into a corner, Pots substantial going to the flop, you open jam. A selection of player types insta fold, but an equally viable selection of players happily snap it off looking to build a stack. Neither approach definatively being wrong.
You jam 5k to win the 1k pot. I'm not saying you do wrong but there are many other, more cautious, lines you could have taken not going broke.
Then the previouysly posted hand you limp UTG with 4s2s, looking to connect with a flop just like the Ad8d does !!!! Pffffffff
I've noticed you have posted directly re a number of my posts which I have no problem with what I do have a prob with is when you post mis or incorrect info re my post.
That many people limp, then a raise to 5xBB and you choose to call in the BB with 8Qo, is just really awful play no matter what. Whatever happens post flop is immaterial. You really should never have been in the hand bud. Where is your advantage? Your hand holds no strength at all.
If you look back at this hand you will see I raised the pot
Apology accepted I will answer your next post.
If I had seen what you had actually done I would have been far more critica
So I take it you read my post, couldnt find enough to argue about so re posted this dead issue?
I'm pretty guilty of expecting a certain standard play at certain levels from Opponents bud, but I am the master of letting my ego interfere, seems you may have an element of the same problem.
Its just extremely counter productive to make those moves at those levels, get stuck to the hand, then be frustrated at donkey.
Its not as though the site appeals to a certain player style or skill level. Players will play however they like whereever they like, how can you criticise the host site in relation to this??????
It is my opinion (and only my opinion) that the perceived/alleged large amount of big hand clashes on this site has generated/created a huge amount of players that are loose agressive and go chasing hands constantly, this undoubtedly is a good thing for the more skillful player, but when these guys chase hands the will hit sometimes say 40% of the time in this case, for my sins I seem to come up against these players when they hit. The work variance irks me a little
Also you talk of villain getting his chips in in first 20mins 40/60 on a flush draw. One of you is doubling through by 3rd level! Its a good thing.
you are entitled to your opinion but I think getting your chips in behind in a 40/60 situation early in a tourney is bad play and I would not have called with the nut flush draw
Despite this you give the guy a decision by backing him into a corner, Pots substantial going to the flop, you open jam. A selection of player types insta fold, but an equally viable selection of players happily snap it off looking to build a stack. Neither approach definatively being wrong.
You jam 5k to win the 1k pot. I'm not saying you do wrong but there are many other, more cautious, lines you could have taken not going broke.
I shuv'd the pot at there were 2 callers pre the pot was 1K and I was not going to give 2 players a cheap shot with good pot odds 2 hit their gin card, I knew my Q's were ahead but were vulnerable on that flop
Then the previouysly posted hand you limp UTG with 4s2s, looking to connect with a flop just like the Ad8d does !!!! Pffffffff
On the hand I limped with the 24, I was chip leader at the table they were all playing passively which was allowing me to see cheap flops from oop, everyone plays diff, I had an idea the pot would be limped and for 2/1 - 4/1 odds with my stack with 24 suited I'd do the same again.
I hope that answers your questions, any more I'd be happy to answer
Always a pleasure
ACA
I'm simply trying to demonstrate that a range of opponents will have different games/approaches to your own.
You may think the guys call is afull with the A8, to many players they are happy racing for the big pot early - even glad for the opportunity. Some would say your shove is the right move, many would say it isnt (myself being one of them).
But you force villain to an expensive decision. He makes his descision, wins race, thats it. He bricks you love the call. He hits.... well by shoving you pretty much no wht your up against. The jam makes no sense if you think they'll gamble, unless you in turn went to gamble big pot as slight favourite,, but then you cant really complain if they make their hand.
I knew what your reasoning was before you put it up. But you have to remember that you cant control what people will do, nor expect them to make the same descisions as you yourself would. It is incredibly frustrating, I know this, we all do. But each person will do what they want to do. This is simply what makes Poker, Poker.
As is most often the case Doh is correct. Players who pick low equity high rish spots will kripple us from time to time, but be crushed in the long run. They too are on their own learning curve.
I am not questioning the guys call on the river, I think it's silly, you think I should have played small ball poker, and controlled the pot size, we all have different opinions and I guess that's y we love to play, I'm bringing into question how this guy managed to see the flop, through his pre flop limping, he could and would of done the same with As8s and would not have called the flop shuv (This hand is prob not the best example of point I'm trying to make a when the guy makes the nut draw he probably will call (that's y I shuv'd If the cards were turned face up I was still shuving), the was another player in the hand who folded ??
Again it is only my opinion , but this site in particular seems to have created a large number of loose aggro players that you may luv or hate, but without running good this makes it a minefield to navigate thru an MTT and difficult to pick up all those small pots without running like God. I've been playing here for a number of years but have noticed a sharp increase in these type of players recently ???
Maybe as I've discussed in the previous post it has a tenuous like to DJ and Elsa's post re rng's and big hand clashes.
Who knows, ????
Can I ask what stakes this game is? That is going to have a huge impact on the action.
I dont play online much these days for a variety of reasons. I play live cash for good stakes and make a nice sum doing it by playing against people who just play bad plain and simple.
I truly get excited everytime I sit down at the table with these guys, knowing that - barring very very bad luck - my stack is just going to swell throughout the evening, pretty rapidly. You need to be excited about the edge you have over this type of player. But they are going to hurt you every now and then, I just try to keep the hurt cheap. They dont think, understand or use the information at their disposal.....................but most importantly they dont seem to suckout on me as much. Or perhaps I control the pace more effectively. I think its more likely the two combined.
I do have issues with the action we see online, I should have said this to begin with. But I cant agree with what you have said based upon hands posted. I am hugely happier since adjusting my focus back to live, no more going to bed spitting feathers