Value bet or check behind

OMahonyO

Can we find a value bet here or are we checking behind.

AnyPair	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£11.01
gambit1833	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£16.62
	Your hole cards	10 Q
Pronk	Fold
OMahonyO	Raise		£0.80	£1.10	£28.10
mac60	Fold
AnyPair	Call		£0.70	£1.80	£10.31
gambit1833	Fold
Flop
		4 2 3
AnyPair	Check
OMahonyO	Bet		£1.00	£2.80	£27.10
AnyPair	Call		£1.00	£3.80	£9.31
Turn
		J
AnyPair	Check
OMahonyO	Bet		£1.90	£5.70	£25.20
AnyPair	Call		£1.90	£7.60	£7.41
River
		A
AnyPair	Check

phil12uk

I think the fact he's short stacked probably alters my play here. I'd probably check against a deeper stacked player but against this guy you're not gonna go bust. I'd bet £2.50 - £3 and be prepared to call if he re-raises all in.  My guessing is he has the A hearts which is why he's stayed in hand so the river card will lure him into at least the call here.

OMahonyO

In Response to Re: Value bet or check behind:

I think the fact he's short stacked probably alters my play here. I'd probably check against a deeper stacked player but against this guy you're not gonna go bust. I'd bet £2.50 - £3 and be prepared to call if he re-raises all in.  My guessing is he has the A hearts which is why he's stayed in hand so the river card will lure him into at least the call here.
Posted by phil12uk

?? If he has AH, I`m beat

phil12uk

Ahh! LOL That's where I'm going wrong. Sorry misread hand!!  Yeah, I'd prob check behind m8. Sorry!! 

He could well be playing this with K hearts so he'd prob call ur river bet rather than reraise but if me, Id check and move onto next hand.

Action_Dan

I'd find it hard to value bet the river considering he's check called you all the way...there's good reason to think you're ahead in that spot and if they had the King, they might put out a stopper bet because they won't want to call off their whole stack if you moved in but saying that, you don't want to be faced with a check-raise on the river holding just the Queen so yeah check and move on to the next hand would be my personal move. 

I'm edging towards thinking they've got something like pocket 5's/6's with a heart and once the Jack came, they believed there was showdown value so wanted to get their as cheap as possible...what hand did they have?

scotty77

Easy value bet.  If it was deeper you could bet/fold but I prob bet like 2.4 and call whatever he has left to put me AI.

3rd nuts I reckon is good here most of the time.

stokesyph

Definitely bet. Bet about £3 and call if he shoves. At this level loads of worse hands will call you.

OMahonyO

Again, couldnt find the hand history to post the rest of this hand.

I so nearly bet here but checked for some reason.

Villain surprisingly showed KH TH and took the pot

FlashFlush

I would put a bet out... i think if he has the nut flush or K flush he would of bet river incase you did check behind and lose money... He looks weak there IMO, i bet around £1.50 there

F_Ivanovic

It would help a lot if you had any notes/reads about the player in these situations. For example if I have them pegged as a calling station I'm betting here always - sometimes you will end up "value towning" yourself when he has the K or A of hearts, but you make up for it over all for the times he calls with a worse flush for example.

As there's about £7.50 into the pot my usual bet would be something like £4.50-£5 here, but don't know how much money you or villain have behind. If it's not much more than £7.50 (or less) I would just shove the lot in especially if I thought he was a big calling station. Also I don't see why you would want to b/c the river here like everyone else has said. Unless villain is a maniac, he isn't shoving with worse here for value and there really are zero bluffs in his range. A very very good player you might want to b/c because these players are capable of turning made hands that they no longer think they're good into bluffs. (like KJ with no heart into a bluff) But basically no-one at these stakes is capable of that.

One final thing is that your image can also be important here. If you think villain is reasonably decent and understands your image then if you are percieved as tight, then the bet is too thin. But if percieved as someone who bluffs a lot, the bet once again becomes fine

dantb10

its a check for me on the river, i dont know if your hand can stand a reraise on the river. With the flats you received all the way thru the hand u can guarantee he has a heart, and because he called yor pre flop raise u can assume it would be at the upper end of the scale. ( i know this is nt guaranteed but its likely)

Like i said, with him just flatting it would give me the impression that he was 'chasing' and i think his check on the river gives u the opportunity to check and have good showdown value. I think if u v bet and he reshoves u r then forced to make a crying call.

What did villain show? some thing like kh with an offsuit 7+ would be my guess. ( im propably miles off lol and you should ov shoved!!lol)

OMahonyO

In Response to Re: Value bet or check behind:

its a check for me on the river, i dont know if your hand can stand a reraise on the river. With the flats you received all the way thru the hand u can guarantee he has a heart, and because he called yor pre flop raise u can assume it would be at the upper end of the scale. ( i know this is nt guaranteed but its likely) Like i said, with him just flatting it would give me the impression that he was 'chasing' and i think his check on the river gives u the opportunity to check and have good showdown value. I think if u v bet and he reshoves u r then forced to make a crying call. What did villain show? some thing like kh with an offsuit 7+ would be my guess. ( im propably miles off lol and you should ov shoved!!lol)
Posted by dantb10

KH TH

dantb10

wow he had it all along! good check lol