I have asked this question before with no reply from any of the other presenters. It seems they just get shown the door without the chance to say goodbye! Bit harsh imo. Posted by donkeyplop
That is incorrect.
I have always fielded these questions as fully & honestly, (though at times circumspectly, to spare the blushes of some), as I'm able to. I'll do so on this occasion, too, though not right now, as I need to get a few hours to myself before tonight's PTP, after a pretty gruelling few days.
In Response to Re: Where is....? : That is incorrect. I have always fielded these questions as fully & honestly, (though at times circumspectly, to spare the blushes of some), as I'm able to. I'll do so on this occasion, too, though not right now, as I need to get a few hours to myself before tonight's PTP, after a pretty gruelling few days. I'll reply tonight or in the morning. Posted by Tikay10
I have never asked you before, but have asked a few others during the forum 10 seaters.
The only reply I have ever got is yes they have left.
I guess some of them could have done something wrong hense the sudden chop but imo it would be nice just for a simple, i'm leaving goodbye on there last show?
what was their downfall? sarah doing a pop video or being late stuck on the m25? dp fitz not knowing the word "card marker"? johnny's voice too low? Posted by aussie09
Mark Banin for extreme overuse of the phrase...'why? because...'
i started this thread really to ask where DP is. I recall in the summer that he said he was away traveling for a month but i did think at the time that his au revoir was in fact a final goodbye. having now seen a few months pass i guess he has gone and this a great shame. DP is a great presenter on a par to Richard.
... and what happened to that guy out of Cannon and Ball?
Imo Champion was a hottie and Banin was a cool cat. Maybe they found something better ? It's not always prudent to assume the worst. Says on Wiki of Champers "She is currently living and working in Los Angeles hosting a new dance show for The CW network". If this is the case then the volume of traffic on the M25 as an obstacle to her arriving at the studio is only a minor one.
Sarah - She is a full time LML impersonator and can be found at various casinos/supermarkets around the UK. DP Fitz - Is currently an understudy to Sir Terry Wogan and takes over early next year. Johnny Gould - Has returned to his C4 comfort zone after speaking out at the amount of rebuys on Sky Poker. Mark Banin - Still on here! (uses the alias SKYMOD4 now though). Compo - Doing the live UK tour of Last of the Summer Wine. * some of the above information may or may not be true Posted by MAXALLY
I'm sorry but this is not the case. On the few occasions that I play poker I do NOT play 78 offsuit
In Response to Re: Where is....?: . I'll do so on this occasion, too, though not right now, as I need to get a few hours to myself before tonight's PTP, after a pretty gruelling few days. I'll reply tonight or in the morning. Posted by Tikay10 Lest we forget.
In Response to Re: Where is....? : I have never asked you before, but have asked a few others during the forum 10 seaters. The only reply I have ever got is yes they have left. I guess some of them could have done something wrong hense the sudden chop but imo it would be nice just for a simple, i'm leaving goodbye on there last show? Posted by donkeyplop
I'll Post further shortly, Plopper, as to the original question, but this is a good opportunity to discuss the point you make about asking questions of the PTP-ers during PTP Evenings in the Rail Chat Box.
We are usually on at least 2 or 3 Tables, & fielding questions from players on all the Tables. No complaints about that, none at all, it's part of the idea.
However, it's very hard to answer "open" questions in those circumstances, especially when 2/3 Tabling, & with the Tables continually popping up when it's our turn to act.
Closed questions, for which the answer is "yes", "no", "tomorrow at 8pm", or "Auntie Winnie" are fine, but engaging in long & complex answers to open questions ("how should I play A-K UTG?" for example) is just not possible in those circumstances, especially if the point is to be made with any clarity, & without potentially giving offence, as in this case.
Most of the PTP-ers, me included, are proud to be part of the PTP Team, & will happily field questions all evening, even when we are not "officially" on site on behalf of Sky Poker. I am on the Site most nights on my own account, & money, & get just as many questions as when I'm the PTP-er, & I'm not complaining about that. But it is just not possible for any of us to do justice under those circumstances to "open" questions.
We all look forward to our PTP evenings, for which we receive a small fee, but I have to say, it's quite the hardest & most stressful thing we (the PTP-ers) do here at Sky Poker, as if we miss a question, or don't answer it quickly, it gives offence, & peeps get mardy.
When I finish a 5 hour PTP session at about Midnight, I am mentally wrecked, I really am, & so I usually slide across to the Omaha Hi-Lo Tables & have a quiet game with a few mates until 1am or 2am, who are kind & understanding enough to leave me in peace for half an hour.
One Gent asked me a question last week whilst I was 4-Tabling, & 30 seconds later, typed "????" in the Chat Box, followed 30 seconds later by "OK, don't answer, I'll go to jokerstars". His question?
"Why is ***** not part of Team Sky Poker, he's the best player here?".....
How on earth we are supposed to give a decent answer to that whilst 4-Tabling is completely beyond me!
I hope you don't mind me pointing that out, but it may explain why you never got the answer from the others when you asked it.
I'll reply to the OP's question shortly, & when you read it, you'll know why it was not possible to answer it properly on the Table "rail", because it takes a bit of explaining if it is not to be misinterpreted, especially as to those no longer regularly seen on the Channel.
In Response to Re: Where is....? : I'll Post further shortly, Plopper, as to the original question, but this is a good opportunity to discuss the point you make about asking questions of the PTP-ers during PTP Evenings in the Rail Chat Box. We are usually on at least 2 or 3 Tables, & fielding questions from players on all the Tables. No complaints about that, none at all, it's part of the idea. However, it's very hard to answer "open" questions in those circumstances, especially when 2/3 Tabling, & with the Tables continually popping up when it's our turn to act. Closed questions, for which the answer is "yes", "no", "tomorrow at 8pm", or "Auntie Winnie" are fine, but engaging in long & complex answers to open questions ("how should I play A-K UTG?" for example) is just not possible in those circumstances, especially if the point is to be made with any clarity, & without potentially giving offence, as in this case. Most of the PTP-ers, me included, are proud to be part of the PTP Team, & will happily field questions all evening, even when we are not "officially" on site on behalf of Sky Poker. I am on the Site most nights on my own account, & money, & get just as many questions as when I'm the PTP-er, & I'm not complaining about that. But it is just not possible for any of us to do justice under those circumstances to "open" questions. We all look forward to our PTP evenings, for which we receive a small fee, but I have to say, it's quite the hardest & most stressful thing we (the PTP-ers) do here at Sky Poker, as if we miss a question, or don't answer it quickly, it gives offence, & peeps get mardy. When I finish a 5 hour PTP session at about Midnight, I am mentally wrecked, I really am, & so I usually slide across to the Omaha Hi-Lo Tables & have a quiet game with a few mates until 1am or 2am, who are kind & understanding enough to leave me in peace for half an hour. One Gent asked me a question last week whilst I was 4-Tabling, & 30 seconds later, typed "????" in the Chat Box, followed 30 seconds later by "OK, don't answer, I'll go to jokerstars". His question? "Why is ***** not part of Team Sky Poker, he's the best player here?"..... How on earth we are supposed to give a decent answer to that whilst 4-Tabling is completely beyond me! I hope you don't mind me pointing that out, but it may explain why you never got the answer from the others when you asked it. I'll reply to the OP's question shortly, & when you read it, you'll know why it was not possible to answer it properly on the Table "rail", because it takes a bit of explaining if it is not to be misinterpreted, especially as to those no longer regularly seen on the Channel. Thanks. Posted by Tikay10
Tikay, the people that count know how busy you are and that you multi table AND that you chat when you can as tikay1 and we all appreciate this. Thos who come from other sites maybe should read the forum more before asking ANY questions of you. The fact you take the time to post on here is really appreciated and most of us take the time to read as much of your posts as they see. What we don't appreciate is the bloomin length of them,, geez TK it took me 5 mins to read this when i could be throwing my money at the other folks at the tables!! Oh and at length please,,,, why don't i win with 56 suit in the big blind when i have two limpers oop? where did you live in Ilkeston (i had the pleasure of cotmanhay)?, and whats wrong with listening to Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey on your long journeys (i didnt win your comp because of that)!! regards as always, catch 22
Where have the presenters gone? Where is Sarah, DP Fitz, Johnny (?) that guy from london radio, Mark Banin, Compo.... Posted by aussie09
Hi Aussie.
None of the Presenters or Analysts are on Contract as such, we are allocated Shows on a monthly basis, & we get them, or we don't.
So, this Saturday, for example, MAY be my last ever Show if Mother chooses not to select me for any future Shows. It's that simple. I'd not know, until I saw next month's Rota, either. So that's why sometimes they don't say "goodbye", as the probability is, it was not planned to be their last Show as far as they, or I, knew.
Lots of us have moved on in the 4 years since the Channel began. (We began technical rehearsals 4 months before the Show went live in Feb 2007). Helen, Norman, Carlo, Paul, Casper, Dan, Matt, Michelle, Tim, in addition to those you mention. It's the nature of the TV Business, people move on, often onwards & upwards, it's a natural thing, it does not mean anyone was canned.
In addition, we are currently only broadcasting Live 3 nights per week, so there are only so many shifts available. With all those Presenters & Analysts, it would mean spreading their shifts too thinly, maybe one or two a month at most, & for that, they could not be expected to "commit" to 865. Some committment to the Site & Community is needed & expected, & you cannot expect that from someone who gets one shift per month, it's unreasonable, they need to balance what they get fom 865 with their other broadcasting aspirations.
Of those you mention......
Sarah is lined up to do some major TV work in America, so understandably told 865 that she would probably not be available for long in the near future, hence she has no regular slots right now. She has NOT, however, left the Channel, as such, the door remains open as I understand it.
DP was a difficult situation, too many Presenters, & not enough shifts. We all hope he will return at some stage, he's much missed.
Johnny left of his own accord 2 years ago, more maybe, for personal reasons. Earlier this year, he indicated he'd like to return, & we were well up for that, he has great enthusiasm, & has been a good friend to me, helping me along the way from my very first TV Show (Poker 425) way before 865 was ever invented. But his return coincided with the reduction to 3 nights per week, so that's awkward, if you think about it - should 865 cut back on, for example, the loyal Orford's or LML's shifts because Johnny now wants to return all of a sudden?
Guy from London Radio? You'll have to remind me who that is.
Mark Banin. Mark remains, I believe, part of the Channel's longer term plans (some very interesting stuff on the horizon, I promise you!), so don't count him out, & know he was in convo with Mother a week or two ago.
Compo left of his own accord, in the Summer of '09. One of the saddest things ever, we were very close pals away from Sky Poker, & had been, here & elsewhere, for some years. I miss him very much, to be honest.
So there you go.
I hope that helps to explain the other Post, too, in which people suggested they should have said goodbye properly, or why the PTP-ers did not answer the question properly in the Chat Box. We have nothing to hide, fear, or be apologetic for, but some things are part of the greater scheme of things, & are not easily explained on a Poker Table Chat Box.
Meanwhile, back at Channel 865, the stuidio move is in full swing, the office contents are all boxed up, the studio move is in late stage planning & early stage implementation, & we have been across to our new Studio in Osters to suss it out, & how it will all work. We move in early December, offices, Studio, Gallery, the whole works. Mother is organising everything, & it's fiendishly complex, made more so by something called "Design Freeze", in which ALL changes are "frozen" either side of the Xmas Holidays for purposes of stability.
Studio moves are very complex, & you saw from the feedback on Sunday's Show, when there were a few technical complications, that viewers are very unforgiving as to mistakes. So a difficult few weeks ahead for the TV Channel.
The Poker Site is about to enter an exciting but challenging time, too, nothing stays the same for ever, & they have to keep pushing forward. My crash helmet is at the ready.
We also had a most interesting Meeting last week, about a potential new bell & whistle for 865, which will be immense. But very expensive.....
think sarah is spinning discs on absolute radio,pretty sure i heard her name there Posted by stokefc
Correct, as she was before she joined 865. It is a very big contract for her, & as such, always took priority over 865. She covers Music Fessies for VHS & MTV, too. Very talented & versatile, & marginally easier on the eye than Orford.
In Response to Where is....? : Hi Aussie. None of the Presenters or Analysts are on Contract as such, we are allocated Shows on a monthly basis, & we get them, or we don't. So, this Saturday, for example, MAY be my last ever Show if Mother chooses not to select me for any future Shows. It's that simple. I'd not know, until I saw next month's Rota, either. So that's why sometimes they don't say "goodbye", as the probability is, it was not planned to be their last Show as far as they, or I, knew. Lots of us have moved on in the 4 years since the Channel began. (We began technical rehearsals 4 months before the Show went live in Feb 2007). Helen, Norman, Carlo, Paul, Casper, Dan, Matt, Michelle, Tim, in addition to those you mention. It's the nature of the TV Business, people move on, often onwards & upwards, it's a natural thing, it does not mean anyone was canned. In addition, we are currently only broadcasting Live 3 nights per week, so there are only so many shifts available. With all those Presenters & Analysts, it would mean spreading their shifts too thinly, maybe one or two a month at most, & for that, they could not be expected to "commit" to 865. Some committment to the Site & Community is needed & expected, & you cannot expect that from someone who gets one shift per month, it's unreasonable, they need to balance what they get fom 865 with their other broadcasting aspirations. Of those you mention...... Sarah is lined up to do some major TV work in America, so understandably told 865 that she would probably not be available for long in the near future, hence she has no regular slots right now. She has NOT, however, left the Channel, as such, the door remains open as I understand it. DP was a difficult situation, too many Presenters, & not enough shifts. We all hope he will return at some stage, he's much missed. Johnny left of his own accord 2 years ago, more maybe, for personal reasons. Earlier this year, he indicated he'd like to return, & we were well up for that, he has great enthusiasm, & has been a good friend to me, helping me along the way from my very first TV Show (Poker 425) way before 865 was ever invented. But his return coincided with the reduction to 3 nights per week, so that's awkward, if you think about it - should 865 cut back on, for example, the loyal Orford's or LML's shifts because Johnny now wants to return all of a sudden? Guy from London Radio? You'll have to remind me who that is. Mark Banin. Mark remains, I believe, part of the Channel's longer term plans (some very interesting stuff on the horizon, I promise you!), so don't count him out, & know he was in convo with Mother a week or two ago. Compo left of his own accord, in the Summer of '09. One of the saddest things ever, we were very close pals away from Sky Poker, & had been, here & elsewhere, for some years. I miss him very much, to be honest. So there you go. I hope that helps to explain the other Post, too, in which people suggested they should have said goodbye properly, or why the PTP-ers did not answer the question properly in the Chat Box. We have nothing to hide, fear, or be apologetic for, but some things are part of the greater scheme of things, & are not easily explained on a Poker Table Chat Box. Meanwhile, back at Channel 865, the stuidio move is in full swing, the office contents are all boxed up, the studio move is in late stage planning & early stage implementation, & we have been across to our new Studio in Osters to suss it out, & how it will all work. We move in early December, offices, Studio, Gallery, the whole works. Mother is organising everything, & it's fiendishly complex, made more so by something called "Design Freeze", in which ALL changes are "frozen" either side of the Xmas Holidays for purposes of stability. Studio moves are very complex, & you saw from the feedback on Sunday's Show, when there were a few technical complications, that viewers are very unforgiving as to mistakes. So a difficult few weeks ahead for the TV Channel. The Poker Site is about to enter an exciting but challenging time, too, nothing stays the same for ever, & they have to keep pushing forward. My crash helmet is at the ready. We also had a most interesting Meeting last week, about a potential new bell & whistle for 865, which will be immense. But very expensive..... Hope that answers your question fully. Posted by Tikay10
thank you tikay for your effort in your response. well written too. i hope we will see DP on 865 again. good luck with all future rotas.
In Response to Re: Where is....? : thank you tikay for your effort in your response. well written too. i hope we will see DP on 865 again. good luck with all future rotas. Posted by aussie09
+1 to that!
It really is as simple as that - once a month, we hold our breath, & await the new Rota.
Keeps us on our toes, though, which is no bad thing.
I represent a growing number of disgruntled Sky Poker viewers who feel that the time has come for some new blood to pep up the show.
It has been proposed by a large number of the Sky Poker Community that the following line up of presenters and Poker players should take up the mantle of presenting the show.
Lisa Marie Long, Sarah Champion, Liv Borree and Vanessa Rousso would make a good selection. I know what you're thinking.... where is the male influence to give a balanced view point. I have recently run a poll of what the Community wants from a Sky Male Presenter. The results are as follows
1.Scottish
2. 47 Years Old
3. Keen Interest in German Motorbikes
4.Supports a rather magnificent moustache
5.Knows how to fold Ace Jack
6.Is a rather pleasant view for the female members of the community, as well as his co presenters
7.Knows the difference between Cement and Concrete
Having collated the above information I leave it to you to sieve through your database of members to find the appropriate candidate
Comments
... without saying goodbye? why?
It seems they just get shown the door without the chance to say goodbye!
Bit harsh imo.
is it a question we shouldn't ask? will the heavies be at my door soon?
acebarry? what do you know?
I have always fielded these questions as fully & honestly, (though at times circumspectly, to spare the blushes of some), as I'm able to. I'll do so on this occasion, too, though not right now, as I need to get a few hours to myself before tonight's PTP, after a pretty gruelling few days.
I'll reply tonight or in the morning.
The only reply I have ever got is yes they have left.
I guess some of them could have done something wrong hense the sudden chop but imo it would be nice just for a simple, i'm leaving goodbye on there last show?
what was their downfall?
sarah doing a pop video or being late stuck on the m25?
dp fitz not knowing the word "card marker"?
johnny's voice too low?
;o) xx
i started this thread really to ask where DP is. I recall in the summer that he said he was away traveling for a month but i did think at the time that his au revoir was in fact a final goodbye. having now seen a few months pass i guess he has gone and this a great shame. DP is a great presenter on a par to Richard.
... and what happened to that guy out of Cannon and Ball?
Maybe they found something better ? It's not always prudent to assume the worst.
Says on Wiki of Champers "She is currently living and working in Los Angeles hosting a new dance show for The CW network".
If this is the case then the volume of traffic on the M25 as an obstacle to her arriving at the studio is only a minor one.
... and what happened to that guy out of Cannon and Ball?
Posted by aussie09
He got fired.
I thank you.
. I'll do so on this occasion, too, though not right now, as I need to get a few hours to myself before tonight's PTP, after a pretty gruelling few days. I'll reply tonight or in the morning.
Posted by Tikay10
Lest we forget.
Is it true that DP got the bullet because he led the glorious demolotion of the Velvet Blazers in a previous team competition?????????????????????????
We are usually on at least 2 or 3 Tables, & fielding questions from players on all the Tables. No complaints about that, none at all, it's part of the idea.
However, it's very hard to answer "open" questions in those circumstances, especially when 2/3 Tabling, & with the Tables continually popping up when it's our turn to act.
Closed questions, for which the answer is "yes", "no", "tomorrow at 8pm", or "Auntie Winnie" are fine, but engaging in long & complex answers to open questions ("how should I play A-K UTG?" for example) is just not possible in those circumstances, especially if the point is to be made with any clarity, & without potentially giving offence, as in this case.
Most of the PTP-ers, me included, are proud to be part of the PTP Team, & will happily field questions all evening, even when we are not "officially" on site on behalf of Sky Poker. I am on the Site most nights on my own account, & money, & get just as many questions as when I'm the PTP-er, & I'm not complaining about that. But it is just not possible for any of us to do justice under those circumstances to "open" questions.
We all look forward to our PTP evenings, for which we receive a small fee, but I have to say, it's quite the hardest & most stressful thing we (the PTP-ers) do here at Sky Poker, as if we miss a question, or don't answer it quickly, it gives offence, & peeps get mardy.
When I finish a 5 hour PTP session at about Midnight, I am mentally wrecked, I really am, & so I usually slide across to the Omaha Hi-Lo Tables & have a quiet game with a few mates until 1am or 2am, who are kind & understanding enough to leave me in peace for half an hour.
One Gent asked me a question last week whilst I was 4-Tabling, & 30 seconds later, typed "????" in the Chat Box, followed 30 seconds later by "OK, don't answer, I'll go to jokerstars". His question?
"Why is ***** not part of Team Sky Poker, he's the best player here?".....
How on earth we are supposed to give a decent answer to that whilst 4-Tabling is completely beyond me!
I hope you don't mind me pointing that out, but it may explain why you never got the answer from the others when you asked it.
I'll reply to the OP's question shortly, & when you read it, you'll know why it was not possible to answer it properly on the Table "rail", because it takes a bit of explaining if it is not to be misinterpreted, especially as to those no longer regularly seen on the Channel.
Thanks.
The fact you take the time to post on here is really appreciated and most of us take the time to read as much of your posts as they see.
What we don't appreciate is the bloomin length of them,, geez TK it took me 5 mins to read this when i could be throwing my money at the other folks at the tables!!
Oh and at length please,,,, why don't i win with 56 suit in the big blind when i have two limpers oop? where did you live in Ilkeston (i had the pleasure of cotmanhay)?, and whats wrong with listening to Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey on your long journeys (i didnt win your comp because of that)!!
regards as always, catch 22
None of the Presenters or Analysts are on Contract as such, we are allocated Shows on a monthly basis, & we get them, or we don't.
So, this Saturday, for example, MAY be my last ever Show if Mother chooses not to select me for any future Shows. It's that simple. I'd not know, until I saw next month's Rota, either. So that's why sometimes they don't say "goodbye", as the probability is, it was not planned to be their last Show as far as they, or I, knew.
Lots of us have moved on in the 4 years since the Channel began. (We began technical rehearsals 4 months before the Show went live in Feb 2007). Helen, Norman, Carlo, Paul, Casper, Dan, Matt, Michelle, Tim, in addition to those you mention. It's the nature of the TV Business, people move on, often onwards & upwards, it's a natural thing, it does not mean anyone was canned.
In addition, we are currently only broadcasting Live 3 nights per week, so there are only so many shifts available. With all those Presenters & Analysts, it would mean spreading their shifts too thinly, maybe one or two a month at most, & for that, they could not be expected to "commit" to 865. Some committment to the Site & Community is needed & expected, & you cannot expect that from someone who gets one shift per month, it's unreasonable, they need to balance what they get fom 865 with their other broadcasting aspirations.
Of those you mention......
Sarah is lined up to do some major TV work in America, so understandably told 865 that she would probably not be available for long in the near future, hence she has no regular slots right now. She has NOT, however, left the Channel, as such, the door remains open as I understand it.
DP was a difficult situation, too many Presenters, & not enough shifts. We all hope he will return at some stage, he's much missed.
Johnny left of his own accord 2 years ago, more maybe, for personal reasons. Earlier this year, he indicated he'd like to return, & we were well up for that, he has great enthusiasm, & has been a good friend to me, helping me along the way from my very first TV Show (Poker 425) way before 865 was ever invented. But his return coincided with the reduction to 3 nights per week, so that's awkward, if you think about it - should 865 cut back on, for example, the loyal Orford's or LML's shifts because Johnny now wants to return all of a sudden?
Guy from London Radio? You'll have to remind me who that is.
Mark Banin. Mark remains, I believe, part of the Channel's longer term plans (some very interesting stuff on the horizon, I promise you!), so don't count him out, & know he was in convo with Mother a week or two ago.
Compo left of his own accord, in the Summer of '09. One of the saddest things ever, we were very close pals away from Sky Poker, & had been, here & elsewhere, for some years. I miss him very much, to be honest.
So there you go.
I hope that helps to explain the other Post, too, in which people suggested they should have said goodbye properly, or why the PTP-ers did not answer the question properly in the Chat Box. We have nothing to hide, fear, or be apologetic for, but some things are part of the greater scheme of things, & are not easily explained on a Poker Table Chat Box.
Meanwhile, back at Channel 865, the stuidio move is in full swing, the office contents are all boxed up, the studio move is in late stage planning & early stage implementation, & we have been across to our new Studio in Osters to suss it out, & how it will all work. We move in early December, offices, Studio, Gallery, the whole works. Mother is organising everything, & it's fiendishly complex, made more so by something called "Design Freeze", in which ALL changes are "frozen" either side of the Xmas Holidays for purposes of stability.
Studio moves are very complex, & you saw from the feedback on Sunday's Show, when there were a few technical complications, that viewers are very unforgiving as to mistakes. So a difficult few weeks ahead for the TV Channel.
The Poker Site is about to enter an exciting but challenging time, too, nothing stays the same for ever, & they have to keep pushing forward. My crash helmet is at the ready.
We also had a most interesting Meeting last week, about a potential new bell & whistle for 865, which will be immense. But very expensive.....
Hope that answers your question fully.
When discussing peoples jobs, careers even, some care is needed, hence the length.
See you at Luton soon, I hope.
and the ratio of words in your response to my OP is very high. you could have just said that, "they are merely resting."
thanks tikay.
regards
aussie09
It really is as simple as that - once a month, we hold our breath, & await the new Rota.
Keeps us on our toes, though, which is no bad thing.
I still think my explanation was ok