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TOMMOBOY72TOMMOBOY72
edited August 2009 in Poker Chat
can anybody help me with this? i was paying in a cash game over my local pub last night. i was in a hand and hit a straight on the flop. i raised and a player asked me what i had before he would call me. i told him i had a straight trying to double bluff him. he called me and he continued to bet me on 4th and 5th saying that if i did have a straight i would lose because i announced my hand. surely this is wrong? what would be the point in talking to your opponent to get information. 
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  • Hale72Hale72
    edited August 2009
    I cant see how you should forfeit the hand for this. He asked you, you didnt voluntarily give out your information, nor did you actually decalre your exact cards. I think he was trying it on because he missed his flush/full house/higher straight.

    However, your biggest mistake was giving him any information at all. I would have just given the simple response...'Sorry mate... Cant talk right now, i'm in the middle of a hand.' Works every time.
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  • Sky_RichSky_Rich
    edited August 2009
    Hey,

    just a quick note. i have had to edit the above post as it contained personal contact information. i'm afraid any posts that contain personal information such as phone numbers or email addresses will be deleted as they break he house rules.

    thanks,

    Rich
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  • FBSFBS
    edited August 2009
    Tricky,
    Best reply is usually tell the person they'll have to pay to find out.
    However in this case you didn't so taking it from there,
    My first reaction would be to wait to the showdown and if he claims  you you declared your hand say NO I didn't cos in order to do that i would have to declare the cards, as Hale says I also think he was trying it on ...

    I find there is a lot of talking at live tables, some of it good some borderline, but most of the time I use it to try to gain as much info aspossible even if I'm not in a hand, I try not to join in if at all posssible,
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  • BuistyboyBuistyboy
    edited August 2009
    hi tommoboy. interesting question. how did the hand playout. did you win?
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  • BuistyboyBuistyboy
    edited August 2009
    baz, you appear to have flouted the rules by attaching the original message lol
    forum ban for baz lol
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  • acebarry10acebarry10
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: question:
    baz, you appear to have flouted the rules by attaching the original message lol forum ban for baz lol
    Posted by Buistyboy
    Oh sugar, Rich could you do the honours please, my sincerest apologies
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  • Hale72Hale72
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: question:
    In Response to Re: question : Oh sugar, Rich could you do the honours please, my sincerest apologies
    Posted by acebarry10
    Barry, just probably quicker if you copied your reply. deleted your original message then repaste your reply to a new message.
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  • Sky_RichSky_Rich
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: question:
    In Response to Re: question : Oh sugar, Rich could you do the honours please, my sincerest apologies
    Posted by acebarry10
    done. thanks for the great reply though Barry.
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  • Hale72Hale72
    edited August 2009
    Thinking about it further, he was definately trying it on as by calling down to the river and declaring a void hand, he would have effectively asked for his bets back so as such he was freerolling hoping to hit higher than you, if he did, there would be no complaints from him and he would have happily taken the pot. Personally i consider this worse than cheating as he would have taken the rewards with no risk whatsoever.

    To call for the hand to be voided after the flop and ask for a refund then is fair enough, although i cant see his grounds for it but to continue with the pot was purely edging his bets

    Like buistboy says, how did it play out? Did you pick up the pot for the straight or was it voided?

    At the very least if the hand did get voided, you learnt something about your opponent for free which long term should be profitable.
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  • acebarry10acebarry10
    edited August 2009
    In Response to Re: question:
    In Response to Re: question : done. thanks for the great reply though Barry.
    Posted by Sky_Rich
    lol Thanks Rich heres my second try without any mess ups lol

    Hi Tommo

     

    Right, there are no actual rules to cover talking about your hand during play, there is however something known as Poker Etiquette (Poker manners if you wish) where such a thing is frowned upon.

     

    I think the best thing for you would be to say or do nothing so that the other players do not get a read on you.

     

    Hope this helps

     
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  • dowzerdowzer
    edited August 2009
    If there were other players involved then it would be a different story but as long as there are only the two of you in the hand then I dont think this should be voided.
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  • FBSFBS
    edited August 2009
    At our local club we have a rule which basically says you can't tell the truth when saying what your hand is...

    and I think that falls in line with most casino based card rooms now... however it gets very murky and unclear just what is and is not saying what your hand is...

    e.g in the above example is declaring a straight counted as saying what your cards are ?

    Doubtful as it gives no clue as to Flush possibilities etc....

    Why not have a quiet word with the TD before the start of play next time you are there to clarify the situation, then you'll know exactly where you stand in case the other player tries it on again...
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons
    edited August 2009
    i saw a hand on WSOP where the flop came down a player raised, the other then re raised big time. the original player had top pair but said 'i seen u do that reraise before with king high' the opponent did have king high and made a big deal of being read saying' u got me this time etc etc' the player took this as a set up and folded and the re raiser showed his hole cards and won the game. i cant remember the name of the player but he won the whole event i think it was 2006 or 2007 so if it ok at the WSOP it ok at the local
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons
    edited August 2009
    about the above post it was jamie gould
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