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Bad Call?

iBLUFFiBLUFF
edited December 2010 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xx Small blind  200.00 200.00 5674.63
Bob10 Big blind  400.00 600.00 6206.00
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • A
     
TONY509 Fold     
marios1964 Fold     
LnarinOO Fold     
iBLUFF Raise  1200.00 1800.00 6755.00
xxAll-in  5674.63 7474.63 0.00
Bob10 Fold     
iBLUFF Call  4674.63 12149.26 2080.37
xx Show
  • Q
  • A
   
iBLUFF Show
  • 10
  • A
   
Flop
   
  • 2
  • J
  • 9
     
Turn
   
  • 7
     
River
   
  • 7
     
xxWin Pair of 7s 12149.26  12149.26
this was basily my exit hand in primo, at first i thought i played it well but now im not so sure could i of found a better spot to get my chips in?
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  • DollieDollie
    edited December 2010

    A 3 bet with A 10 on the button against just the blinds is fair play.  But to call a re-raise all in for your tournie life is risky, because at best you are in a race.  With over 16 BBs behind, find another spot.

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  • Sky_DaveSky_Dave
    edited December 2010
    Tricky and mainly dependant on the villain and image I think.

    * Have you been opening the button a lot?
    * Has the big blind been playing back at you when you (or anyone else) has attacked his blinds?
    * Is he loose/tight?
    * Does he think you're loose or tight?
    * Are either you or him likely to be steaming?

    All of those questions need to be asked to get an honest answer I think. However, without that info I call - I'm getting 7 to 4 on the call and my hand must match up well against his shoving range out of the big blind. I say that... I've not done the Pokerstove on it, but it can't be too bad vs a range like:

    Any pocket pair
    ATo+
    A8s+
    KQ+
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    Tricky and mainly dependant on the villain and image I think. * Have you been opening the button a lot? * Has the big blind been playing back at you when you (or anyone else) has attacked his blinds? * Is he loose/tight? * Does he think you're loose or tight? * Are either you or him likely to be steaming? All of those questions need to be asked to get an honest answer I think. However, without that info I call - I'm getting 7 to 4 on the call and my hand must match up well against his shoving range out of the big blind. I say that... I've not done the Pokerstove on it, but it can't be too bad vs a range like: Any pocket pair ATo+ A8s+ KQ+
    Posted by Sky_Dave
    i dont have that many reads on him but i had been playing really loose..
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  • swiperswiper
    edited December 2010
    I think its a bad call 16 bigs behind.Mind you i only call with aa kk
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited December 2010
    fold 4 me and find a better spot 16 big lots of play still maybe make the opening raise smaller when the blinds are big like this just save u some money
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    fold 4 me and find a better spot 16 big lots of play still maybe make the opening raise smaller when the blinds are big like this just save u some money
    Posted by rob12345
    thanks all for ur comments, i have to agree with u all but as this was my first time in primo or any big tomrey on sky i think i just bottled it.anyway somethink to work on if i ever play primo again.thanks
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited December 2010
    i just open shove the button with these hands and stack size its just easier lol i think a 10 is good enough to open call a shove tho
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited December 2010
    i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove.

    A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose.

    But, its not the worst call in the world.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove. A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose. But, its not the worst call in the world.
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    hi greg he has been pretty tight but i had been stealing alot and a few hands earlier i got called bluffing with 10 high (coz its the nuts) so i was thinking he could have 22 to about 88 here and be thinking im stealing, and he had a good chance of taking me off the hand.having said that i think my call was pretty bad to but that just be because i saw the cards....
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    i open to 1000 ish, and fold to a shove. A10 is not a hand to call a shove here imo unless villain is 3 bet shoving a lot and is very loose. But, its not the worst call in the world.
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    your not wrong greg thats why i just open shove then i cant fold my hand to worse, im not sure if its the right way to look at it but its what i does
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  • jgnjgn
    edited December 2010
    thats a really bad call but the raise was good until he re raise then you got to let it go  i think a q or higher to call.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    thats a really bad call but the raise was good until he re raise then you got to let it go  i think a q or higher to call.
    Posted by jgn
    yeah i agree looking back at it now i think it was a pretty bad call becasue he was playing tight aswell...
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  • jgnjgn
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    In Response to Re: Bad Call? : yeah i agree looking back at it now i think it was a pretty bad call becasue he was playing tight aswell...
    Posted by iBLUFF
    great minds think a like lol
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    In Response to Re: Bad Call? : great minds think a like lol
    Posted by jgn
    haha
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive
    edited December 2010
    Call is fine. If you've got quite a loose image, then it's likely he's making a stand against you with a lot worse than AQ. There's 8 hands you really don't want to see- AK/AQ/AJ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT. Pretty much anything else is good for you, and you've invested a fairly large portion of your stack just with the raise. He's just as likely to make the play with a lot worse than AQ (KQ/KJ/A7/A8/A9) as well as marginal pps- if you've been opening a lot, possibly even hands like 910s/10Js etc. If he's been extremely quiet throughout, and not getting out of line, then I'd perhaps let him have this one. But I think quite often A10 is a good enough hand to get your chips in and go for the double up- you've invested 3bbs and it's only costing another 11.5 now to call. His range matches up fairly well against that I think.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF
    edited December 2010
    In Response to Re: Bad Call?:
    Call is fine. If you've got quite a loose image, then it's likely he's making a stand against you with a lot worse than AQ. There's 8 hands you really don't want to see- AK/AQ/AJ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT. Pretty much anything else is good for you, and you've invested a fairly large portion of your stack just with the raise. He's just as likely to make the play with a lot worse than AQ (KQ/KJ/A7/A8/A9) as well as marginal pps- if you've been opening a lot, possibly even hands like 910s/10Js etc. If he's been extremely quiet throughout, and not getting out of line, then I'd perhaps let him have this one. But I think quite often A10 is a good enough hand to get your chips in and go for the double up- you've invested 3bbs and it's only costing another 11.5 now to call. His range matches up fairly well against that I think.
    Posted by DeucesLive
    thansk for the advice deuces, half of the posts say i played it well and half said i didnt so im not sure.but i dont think i made the right call tbh as he has been tight at the table and when he shoves i surely gotta give him respect for  a hand.But on the other hand if he knows i steal blinds alot like he does he could be doing that with anythink from 22 thinking i will just fold.... confused <!!!!!!!
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