Did I miss value on this pot?

Smudgesmit

I've played this guy a few times and have noted that he's trapped me twice with AA and AK slow played both and checked rivers.
When he calls my flop bet and checks turn and river my alarm bells rang so I checked because of past experience with him.  Was I playing too safe?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
saxoturbo	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.66
walshysg10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.71
	Your hole cards	Q A
ciderdart	Fold
EvilPrawn1	Fold
Smudgesmit	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£4.71
XXX	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£3.14
saxoturbo	Call		£0.14	£0.52	£3.52
walshysg10	Call		£0.12	£0.64	£1.59
Flop
		3 A 4
XXX	Check
saxoturbo	Check
walshysg10	Check
Smudgesmit	Bet		£0.64	£1.28	£4.07
XXX	Call		£0.64	£1.92	£2.50
saxoturbo	Fold
walshysg10	Fold
Turn
		J
XXX	Check
Smudgesmit	Check
River
		7
XXX	Check
Smudgesmit	Check
XXX	Show	A 9
Smudgesmit	Show	Q A
Smudgesmit	Win	Pair of Aces	£1.77		£5.84

The_Don90

yes, bet every street. In cash you want it all in by the river with your bigger hands, and at NL4 ppl will have less of a kicker thatn a Q 99% of the time. They just wont fold tp

if they do hit two pair then gl to them i say

Smudgesmit

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

yes, bet every street. In cash you want it all in by the river with your bigger hands, and at NL4 ppl will have less of a kicker thatn a Q 99% of the time. They just wont fold tp if they do hit two pair then gl to them i say
Posted by The_Don90

Thanks Don.  Usually would just thought he normally plays tighter than this and because he knows me he would only be in a hand with something better.  As soon as I check I knew I had messed up...  Makes me laugh though.  When I first started playing I would have been pleased with the win.  Now I'm kicking myself for missing out on a decent pot!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot? : Thanks Don.  Usually would just thought he normally plays tighter than this and because he knows me he would only be in a hand with something better.  As soon as I check I knew I had messed up...  Makes me laugh though.  When I first started playing I would have been pleased with the win.  Now I'm kicking myself for missing out on a decent pot!
Posted by Smudgesmit

Youd be suprised

I got it all in on the turn the other day with KK v A2os on a J high board only for the guy to river and A lol. It happens but your crushing the NL4 ranger with AQ there, tehy may have the flush thats my only worry.

Also you probably played this right for one of the higher levels but you gota worry about your current level

Smudgesmit

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot? : Youd be suprised I got it all in on the turn the other day with KK v A2os on a J high board only for the guy to river and A lol. It happens but your crushing the NL4 ranger with AQ there, tehy may have the flush thats my only worry. Also you probably played this right for one of the higher levels but you gota worry about your current level
Posted by The_Don90

Yep my worry was flush AJ or AK.  One of my main issues is putting players on a higher hand than they have. 

silentbob

Personally I don't mind the check behind on the turn when the possible flush hits as it controls the pot if he has hit it. However, I think you've got to bet the river here. At this level 99.9% of the time they are never checking the river if they have the flush & I reckon a bet of around 90p-£1 probably gets paid.

Smudgesmit

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

Personally I don't mind the check behind on the turn when the possible flush hits as it controls the pot if he has hit it. However, I think you've got to bet the river here. At this level 99.9% of the time they are never checking the river if they have the flush & I reckon a bet of around 90p-£1 probably gets paid.
Posted by silentbob

Ty Bob good advice

Dudeskin8

When the heart comes it is probably ok to check as he mite be trapping, but once he checks the river he can't have the flush (unless he's just plain stupid, and tbh it happens at that level ) so like bob around £1 shud do.

DOHHHHHHH

I'm in a total mess trying to analyse this hand.

3 times I have started typing, and deleted what I have written after reading it.

Conclusion ? -- I'm absolutely clueless.

But I think you should definitely bet the river, probably the turn as well. But the river is a definite bet.

If you bet the turn, obviously u bet/call the rest off on any non-heart river.

I really don't know though.

shelski

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

I'm in a total mess trying to analyse this hand. 3 times I have started typing, and deleted what I have written after reading it. Conclusion ? -- I'm absolutely clueless. But I think you should definitely bet the river, probably the turn as well. But the river is a definite bet. If you bet the turn, obviously u bet/call the rest off on any non-heart river. I really don't know though.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

lol.
I kinda know what you mean tho.
What i think is interesting is that the cat with A-9 could have taken it down if they continued betting heavily.
They both seemed to lose interest.
You to maybe ?

Smudgesmit

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot?:

In Response to Re: Did I miss value on this pot? : lol. I kinda know what you mean tho. What i think is interesting is that the cat with A-9 could have taken it down if they continued betting heavily. They both seemed to lose interest. You to maybe ?
Posted by shelski

Looking back over the comments and the hand I think we both put each other on better hands than we had (I was pretty sure he'd hit the flush and was checking the river for me to value bet).  I know I'm not gonna play this hand this way again!

N1CK

as he called a pot size bet on flop i would put him on an ace or pocket pair, you have ace hearts on flop so he has no flush, bet turn bet river, you have the best hand so keep value betting until he tell you different,
the check on the turn aint terrible as you checked it would give him more reason to bet river if he had a flush/AJ but you should bet river 100%

beaneh

bet call the turn.