i butchered this hand, much i could have done different

The_Don90

OK the raiser is the kinda guy who literally could have any two cards.  The turn i checked to shove myself.

Pre-flop when the big mistake happened. I felt a little priced in and i felt i could play against these opponents OOP post flop which obviously added the implied odds. Ok so i get a lil lucky to flop two pair, of coarse the 8 worries me if J9 is in the hand. So the check raise gets me the info on this.

Anyways opinions please.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		10.00	10.00	5030.00
	Big blind		20.00	30.00	4590.00
	Your hole cards	10 Q
	Raise		60.00	90.00	4845.00
	Call		60.00	150.00	5425.00
	Fold
The_Don90	Call		50.00	200.00	4980.00
	Call		40.00	240.00	4550.00
Flop
		10 8 Q
The_Don90	Check
	Check
	Bet		120.00	360.00	4725.00
	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		480.00	840.00	4500.00
	Call		480.00	1320.00	4070.00
	Raise		720.00	2040.00	4005.00
The_Don90	Call		360.00	2400.00	4140.00
	Call		360.00	2760.00	3710.00
Turn
		K
The_Don90	Check
	Bet		380.00	3140.00	3330.00
	All-in		4005.00	7145.00	0.00
The_Don90	All-in		4140.00	11285.00	0.00
	All-in		3330.00	14615.00	0.00
The_Don90	Unmatched bet		135.00	14480.00	135.00
The_Don90	Show	10 Q
	Show	7 J
	Show	A A
River
		A
	Win	Straight to the Ace	13890.00		13890.00
	Win	Three Aces	590.00		590.00

The_Don90

whooo got HH working

YOUNG_GUN

get it in on flop dont call, other then that ul

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:

get it in on flop dont call, other then that ul
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

ok my reasoning is as follows although shouldn't have put results as i said

i think im good on flop i aim to get in as much as possible here, when he re-raised your raise here i would make decision either to ship it or just call. i would ship if i think i am ahead, against draws weaker hand etc. only way i would call is if i think im behind but have outs eg. 10 or Q house up. in that case i fold to the shove as we missed

also as we mentioned possible to have straight here again on that flop if you think they have a straight would again just call/fold problem is you have 4 outs max so would prefer the fold

donkeyplop

N1CK

folding preflop wouldnt be a big mistake...

The_Don90

In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:

folding preflop wouldnt be a big mistake...
Posted by N1CK

i full do admit to this point.

scotty77

i think you played the flop ok.  too deep to stack off here so its not  abad idea to get to a safe turn and half the opponents equity.

the K tho is not a safe card.

doubt im folding tho here tbf tho so ul

GREGHOGG

I can find a fold on the turn i think... that K is one horrid card

donkeyplop

Have the photo approving department closed down for Christmas already?

YOUNG_GUN

haha picture approved

DOHHHHHHH

lol gr8 picture.

first level, no time wasted if u lose, jam the flop.

andybeth

With the stacks so deep, I think a fold is the best option on the turn. It's turned into an awful board for middle two pair and another player to act behind. Fold, and wait for a better spot imo.

NH

In Response to Re: i butchered this hand, much i could have done different:

i think you played the flop ok.  too deep to stack off here so its not  abad idea to get to a safe turn and half the opponents equity. the K tho is not a safe card. doubt im folding tho here tbf tho so ul
Posted by scotty77

Why are we are waiting for a safe turn but still getting it when the K comes?

I'm probably getting it in on the flop unless I knew my opponents to be solid and most likely have a set. 

I would be much more wary of a set in this spot than J9. 

The_Don90

can i just ask why is the K no a safe card.

The only things that improve is AJ (straight), KQ/K10 (better two pair), AK (which would now pay us off), KK(set)

So then look at the flop action. AK/AJ/K10 usually would be folded. So only KK and KQ of these hands should really still be in, or am i misssing the point?