Correct Shove?

Shafty91

Hey all! This was getting on toward the bubble of the deepstack this evening... Was it the correct shove given where the raise came from? The table had been playing reasonably tight and i put him on a medium pocket pair.... Yeahh my reading ability's needs some work!

Really wanted to go for the win in this tourney and was lying comfotably in 4th at this point. was it a decent spot?

FINS	Small blind		1000.00	1000.00	15588.00
sonic544	Big blind		2000.00	3000.00	19095.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
RAFA01	Fold
waller02	Raise		8000.00	11000.00	28892.50
tekoc	Fold
Shafty91	All-in		37940.00	48940.00	0.00
FINS	Fold
sonic544	Fold
waller02	All-in		28892.50	77832.50	0.00
Shafty91	Unmatched bet		1047.50	76785.00	1047.50
waller02	Show	K A
Shafty91	Show	Q A
Flop
		9 K 9
Turn
		3
River
		8
waller02	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 9s	76785.00		76785.00

Smudgesmit

In Response to Correct Shove?:

Hey all! This was getting on toward the bubble of the deepstack this evening... Was it the correct shove given where the raise came from? The table had been playing reasonably tight and i put him on a medium pocket pair.... Yeahh my reading ability's needs some work! Really wanted to go for the win in this tourney and was lying comfotably in 4th at this point. was it a decent spot? FINS Small blind   1000.00 1000.00 15588.00 sonic544 Big blind   2000.00 3000.00 19095.00   Your hole cards Q A       RAFA01 Fold         waller02 Raise   8000.00 11000.00 28892.50 tekoc Fold         Shafty91 All-in   37940.00 48940.00 0.00 FINS Fold         sonic544 Fold         waller02 All-in   28892.50 77832.50 0.00 Shafty91 Unmatched bet   1047.50 76785.00 1047.50 waller02 Show K A       Shafty91 Show Q A       Flop     9 K 9       Turn     3       River     8       waller02 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 9s 76785.00   76785.00
Posted by Shafty91

Looks like a 'come get me' bet which is begging you to shove.  As his stacks got you covered can you fold these?  Bubble coming up and sitting 4th, no chips in pot. 
16 BBs I'd love to think I could let it go. 
Calling out as he's shoving after the flop anyway (even if he misses)
You put him on small pair so had he raised like this already with small pp or was it a hunch?

GREGHOGG

its a shove or a fold, all dependant on your read of the villains play

but usually a 4x raise from utg +1, committing a reasonable percentage of his stack would indicate a better hand than AQ. So its usually a fold here imo.

Its certainly not the worst shove in the world though, you were ul to see AK.

NH

In Response to Correct Shove?:

Hey all! This was getting on toward the bubble of the deepstack this evening... Was it the correct shove given where the raise came from? The table had been playing reasonably tight and i put him on a medium pocket pair.... Yeahh my reading ability's needs some work!  Posted by Shafty91

Read is spot on imo. Although I'm new to this site on others I've played on a 4xBB raise here is usually a scared hand that your opponent doesn't want to fold but doesn't really want to see a flop with because they don't know how to play it. These are usually hands like 77-JJ and AT-AK.

Really wanted to go for the win in this tourney and was lying comfotably in 4th at this point. was it a decent spot? Posted by Shafty91  

If you intention is to go for the win and you don't mind going out here then yes this is a perfect spot for it. You just have to accept you will be flipping a lot of the time.

Shafty91

Thanks for the feedback guys!

In Response to Re: Correct Shove?:

In Response to Correct Shove? : Looks like a 'come get me' bet which is begging you to shove.  As his stacks got you covered can you fold these?  Bubble coming up and sitting 4th, no chips in pot.  16 BBs I'd love to think I could let it go.  Calling out as he's shoving after the flop anyway (even if he misses) You put him on small pair so had he raised like this already with small pp or was it a hunch?
Posted by Smudgesmit

Yeahh usually i don't dwell on hand like this but this one really got me thinking for some reason... And looking back i'm sure i could have found a better spot, unfortunatly it was just my gut instinct that put him on a PP but ahh well ya win some ya lose some!


In Response to Re: Correct Shove?:

its a shove or a fold, all dependant on your read of the villains play but usually a 4x raise from utg +1, committing a reasonable percentage of his stack would indicate a better hand than AQ. So its usually a fold here imo. Its certainly not the worst shove in the world though, you were ul to see AK.
Posted by GREGHOGG

Thanks Gregg, was proberbly a bit nieve of me to think i ahead but i think at this point i had a tad of posative tilt because i had been running good up until this point!

In Response to Re: Correct Shove?:

In Response to Correct Shove? : Read is spot on imo. Although I'm new to this site on others I've played on a 4xBB raise here is usually a scared hand that your opponent doesn't want to fold but doesn't really want to see a flop with because they don't know how to play it. These are usually hands like 77-JJ and AT-AK. If you intention is to go for the win and you don't mind going out here then yes this is a perfect spot for it. You just have to accept you will be flipping a lot of the time.
Posted by NH

This was my read exactly NH, thought at worst i was flipping and i had decided that in this tourney i was prepared to take a 50/50, as i said i think my reading ability needs a bit of work! :P