Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight

SolarCarro

PRIMATAL	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2202.50
SolarCarro	Big blind		30.00	45.00	2335.00
	Your hole cards	J J
f1shy	Fold
7zsteve7z	Fold
do	Raise		120.00	165.00	1655.00
ACE_GUY	Call		120.00	285.00	1922.50
PRIMATAL	Fold
SolarCarro	Raise		360.00	645.00	1975.00
do	Call		270.00	915.00	1385.00
ACE_GUY	Call		270.00	1185.00	1652.50
Flop
		4 5 7
SolarCarro	Check
do	All-in		1385.00	2570.00	0.00
ACE_GUY	Fold
SolarCarro	Call		1385.00	3955.00	590.00
SolarCarro	Show	J J
do	Show	6 7
Turn
		9
River
		6
do	Win	Two Pairs, 7s and 6s	3955.00		3955.00

This was the 2130 £11 BH

I also played KK in a 2.30 BH the same way and was done by A2

Dave

LOL_RAISE

your like 60/40 its hardly a bad beat, shove flop yourself

Eyeman

Very tricky. In truth he could have an overpair, and there's every chance of the straight draw. In the BH though, he could have just about anything. His initial call is loose, but nothing more.

WHOAMI196

vbnvn

BlackFish3

Im pretty sure this is a 50/50. TP + OSED v OP... definately not a bad beat. I would have raised more pre and bet/called the flop. Why did you check? Such a wet board, surely you have to bet... otherwise it might get checked through!

debdobs_67

FFS please be soooooo careful in this neck of the woods with JJ,here endith ze lesson,xxx

GREGHOGG

I wouldnt inflate the pot pre with JJ here oop. Unless we raise more to either tid pre, or to commit pre to get it all in.
In this situation i might have flatted pre, vs loose players, and see what the flop brings.

Once you have inflated the pot you have no option on that board imo to jam it in yourself. I dont see why you check the flop tbh. (not that it would change the outcome)

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight:

I wouldnt inflate the pot pre with JJ here oop. Unless we raise more to either tid pre, or to commit pre to get it all in. In this situation i might have flatted pre, vs loose players, and see what the flop brings. Once you have inflated the pot you have no option on that board imo to jam it in yourself. I dont see why you check the flop tbh. (not that it would change the outcome)
Posted by GREGHOGG

Against a loose player i think you would want to 3 bet with JJ more because there is a higher probability that you will be holding the better hand so you want to get more value.

DOHHHHHHH

Pre flop is fine.

On the flop there's a few of ways you can play it, depending on your opponents, all 3 ofc with the aim of getting all the money in.

If the players behind are really aggressive and been stabbing at alot of pots with complete air/ semi-bluffs or betting marginal hands for value, you can check raise to get the money in, any bet from either opponent commits them to calling then rest of their stack off.

Alot of players on sky will call, but wont bet - so you have to do the work yourself to get paid.

You could also continuation bet really small, hoping to induce a raise behind from really aggressive players. 

As it's 3 way to the flop, I would just keep it simple and lead out myself, with the villains having just over a pot sized bet left - I'd just shove the lot in.

ul.

Eagle26

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight:

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight : Against a loose player i think you would want to 3 bet with JJ more because there is a higher probability that you will be holding the better hand so you want to get more value.
Posted by BlackFish3

THIS. sorry greg dont understand your thinking there mate

as for the hand if ur 3bettin then make it bigger & shove the flop

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight:

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight : Against a loose player i think you would want to 3 bet with JJ more because there is a higher probability that you will be holding the better hand so you want to get more value.
Posted by BlackFish3

The value of JJ is overrated imo, You are 50% to see an overcard.

I dont want JJ vs two opponants. Raise more to get it all in pre vs one numpty, or flat and reassess on the board.

The point i was making is if solar is raising this amount and getting two callers he must lead out and get it all in on this flop.  

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight:

In Response to Re: Bad Beat yes, but can I play it better? Happened twice tonight : The value of JJ is overrated imo, You are 50% to see an overcard. I dont want JJ vs two opponants. Raise more to get it all in pre vs one numpty, or flat and reassess on the board. The point i was making is if solar is raising this amount and getting two callers he must lead out and get it all in on this flop.  
Posted by GREGHOGG

I disagree... JJ is underrated due to its label as a 'problem hand'. Any hand obvs weakens against multiple opponents, but you are still likely to hold the best hand preflop and as a result want to get as much money in as possible when you're holding the best of it. My point is that if solar is raising this amount for value and is getting two callers then he should be raising more for value as he will still likely be getting called.

pryce6

Just ship it pre and then u don't have to play pokers.

SolarCarro

Cheers for these replies, really good

I checked the flop to check raise all in, totally agree I should have just jammed it, I suppose after he jams I need to fold it.

Thanks
Dave

waynec

Your check on the river left u open to the semi bluff, what better flop for JJ which is a vunrable hand I think a good bet on the flop would have saved you from answering hard questions and then the out draw. Better to win tasty pops than lose whoppers.