QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF

scotty77

Hand History #320286581 (19:49 20/12/2010)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemickjenn1Small blind £0.25£0.25£50.47scotty77Big blind £0.50£0.75£50.01 Your hole cardsQQ   jacksfoolFold    STANTHFold    EBBERDONFold    WildDogFold    -v-Fold    toni2k8Fold    bladeboy07Raise £1.50£2.25£58.48WHITMASOLFold    mickjenn1Fold    scotty77Raise £4.00£6.25£46.01bladeboy07Raise £6.00£12.25£52.48

GREGHOGG

See a flop and hope to bink a Q imo:)

I hate minraises like this, often it is AA/KK, but sometimes it isnt. without reads on villain we is guessing.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh! Beaneh tilt styleeee

WHOAMI196

Call the 2 extra quid re assess on the flop jus keeping in mind you may be faced with aa kk. May need to fold hand depending how ur opponent reacts on any given flop.

Dudeskin8

Well you can't raise and fold, just calling and being OOP isn't great as any K/A high flop you'll probably be pushed off with any reasonable bet. So for me just shove and get called by AA/KK.

beaneh

Call and play poker you newb.

And stop calling my 4 bets and winning the pot :P grrrr

YOUNG_GUN

Call, I also believe villain has AA, KK or they could have AK imo

if no Ace or king on flop get it in there, obv unless you hit your queen

Call<Shove<Fold

in order of preference

5toneFace

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

Call, I also believe villain has AA, KK or they could have AK imo if no Ace or king on flop get it in there, obv unless you hit your queen Call<Shove<Fold in order of preference
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

This makes no sense at all. You know AA, KK is beating QQ anyway?? They dont need to hit an ace or king on flop. Therefore getting QQ in vs AA KK on a low flop is worse odds than preflop. But I dont think they only can have AA KK. People could make this move with far weaker hands. Depends what you know about the villian.

scotty77

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF : This makes no sense at all. You know AA, KK is beating QQ anyway?? They dont need to hit an ace or king on flop. Therefore getting QQ in vs AA KK on a low flop is worse odds than preflop. But I dont think they only can have AA KK. People could make this move with far weaker hands. Depends what you know about the villian.
Posted by 5toneFace

Villain has been known to 3bet me fairly wide on a FR table.  Seen him like min 3bet my UTG open with stuff like KT/KJ/T9s etc.  Don't have any notes that he makes wide 4bets tho....it was the size of the 4bet that had me worried here....if he'd 4bet bigger I'd probably be fine with stacking off tbf.

Anyway.....

scotty77	Call		£3.00	£15.25	£43.01
Flop
		J 2 3
scotty77	Check
bladeboy07	Bet		£7.63	£22.88	£44.85
scotty77	Call		£7.63	£30.51	£35.38

scotty77

and turn

		J
scotty77	Check
bladeboy07	Bet		£15.26	£45.77	£29.59

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scotty77

In Response to ISIT:

Call and play poker you newb. And stop calling my 4 bets and winning the pot :P grrrr
Posted by beaneh

did you do a picard when that hand played out

scotty77

also can we like min 5bet fold?  given that 5bets are so rare 100bb deep but he has made it possible to basically do a 20bb 5bet and if he does come over the top then its never AK/JJ? 

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

. Anyway..... scotty77 Call   £3.00 £15.25 £43.01 Flop     J 2 3       scotty77 Check         bladeboy07 Bet   £7.63 £22.88 £44.85 scotty77 Call   £7.63 £30.51 £35.38
Posted by scotty77

The only way your gonna know where u are in the hand was to re raise the flop,,,,since it is a really dry flop!! about 18quid ish sounds about right if he shoves then re think and decide to call or not. But here your allowing yourself to get suckered in if he has AA KK once theres a blank on the turn and river it id be hard to let go since u have no info on ur opponent and have invested so mutch

scotty77

if we raise the flop to 18 we have put in 50bb.  how can we then fold?

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

if we raise the flop to 18 we have put in 50bb.  how can we then fold?
Posted by scotty77

What theres no law in poker that if youve invested so mutch then you cannot fold, rather just lose 50bb by getting the right info than losing my buy in and then saying in the chat box "oh i knew u had AA". raising the flop gives you a feel if you behind or not depending on ur opponents reaction and act accordingly and does give u a chance to fold.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

if we raise the flop to 18 we have put in 50bb.  how can we then fold?
Posted by scotty77

Surely the right decision is the right decision, regardless of what we have behind?

Unless we are priced in to try and hit our 2 outs, then surely we can still fold if theres no way we can be ahead?

50 bb's is v significant, if u can save 50 bigs here everytime against AA/KK.....long term thats alot of bigs?

Am I way off?????????????????????????

LOL_RAISE

or u can just call flop fold turn and save yourself more monies

5toneFace

Why would you ever reraise fold the flop. Just call if you dont want to stack off on the flop. 

beaneh

In Response to Re: ISIT:

In Response to ISIT : did you do a picard when that hand played out
Posted by scotty77

I was just like oh my fml I knew you were light pre because you flatted but I made a purrr and I didn't think there were many Queens in your range, and I could have ops so why jam an eight, I cawl oh ga;ksdjfl;kajsdf;lkj;lsda;f how does this fkkkkakksing noob fish have thatd 'l;kjasl;dkfjasdlkfjlkasdjfasdkl;fjlasdkjf;ljas;dfj

that about sums it up.

As is if I felt he could be doing something 'unusual' I would just c/c turn and check river hovering my mouse over the middle area of the 3 options that could pop up if he bets the river.

just do the old CALL AND MAKE A NOTE lawl

beaneh

In Response to Re: QQ Full Ring facing a min 4bet 100bb deep WTF:

also can we like min 5bet fold?  given that 5bets are so rare 100bb deep but he has made it possible to basically do a 20bb 5bet and if he does come over the top then its never AK/JJ? 
Posted by scotty77

stab yourself in the eye this is a maths problem!