value town or shove or check

jgn

i no i played it badly on the turn but the river should i be shoving

Hand History #320266333 (19:12 20/12/2010)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2740.00
jgn	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3110.00
	Your hole cards	7 8
	Fold
xx	Raise		60.00	105.00	3260.00
	Fold
	Fold
	Fold
jgn	Call		30.00	135.00	3080.00
Flop
		5 8 5
jgn	Bet		92.00	227.00	2988.00
xxx	Raise		184.00	411.00	3076.00
jgn	Call		92.00	503.00	2896.00
Turn
		5
jgn	Bet		90.00	593.00	2806.00
xx	Raise		773.00	1366.00	2303.00
jgn	Call		683.00	2049.00	2123.00
River
		3
jgn	Check
xxx	Check
jgn	Show	7 8
deekers1	Muck	J 10
jgn	Win	Full House, 5s and 8s	2049

sharkcj

you set it up for the perfect shove on river and then what happened??? if your playing this move u need to be betting 3/4 pot on turn or check calling not donk betting! and then shove river and see him fold unless freeroll

LOL_RAISE

c/f river

JulieJay

Honestly I would just fold to his flop reraise. Even though you had the best hand if he's a decent player he's likely to have an overpair here. On the river I'm definitley checking now and praying he checks behind (and I'm expecting to lose)! Nothing shouldcall a shove on the river that you beat anyway. What hand are you expecting him to call a shove with that you beat? 22, 33???

You were lucky to win the hand IMO.

hurst05

In Response to Re: value town or shove or check:

Honestly I would just fold to his flop reraise. Even though you had the best hand if he's a decent player he's likely to have an overpair here. On the river I'm definitley checking now and praying he checks behind (and I'm expecting to lose)! Nothing shouldcall a shove on the river that you beat anyway. What hand are you expecting him to call a shove with that you beat? 22, 33??? You were lucky to win the hand IMO.
Posted by JulieJay

if hes a decent player he could have any hand here, you cant presume that hes going to have an overpair every time your just going to lose long term. i do however just check the end, hes either got 2 over cards (which he did have) in which case your not getting a caller if you bet or your splitting the pot.

jgn

ty 4 the comments but i think i played it right pre flop if i had like 38 q 6 k 4 i fold but 78 even offsuit i think its a caller 2 a min raise. 

JulieJay

In Response to Re: value town or shove or check:

In Response to Re: value town or shove or check : if hes a decent player he could have any hand here, you cant presume that hes going to have an overpair every time your just going to lose long term. i do however just check the end, hes either got 2 over cards (which he did have) in which case your not getting a caller if you bet or your splitting the pot.
Posted by hurst05

OK didn't put that quite right last time - I don't exactly presume he's got an overpair - it's just that it's not worth finding out. It's early on and hero has committed very little to the pot. Villian is repping an overpair all the way. It's just not worth going broke with a shoddy top pair bad kicker this early when you find he is legit. Also, even if he is bluffing with overcards, often he's not going to put many more chips in the pot. Usually he sticks a bluff in on the turn and then gives up. You win about 1200. If Hero continues after the turn then hero is going be pot committed and lose 3000 if villian is legit.