JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise

The_Don90

eekk i meant tight aggressive

The_Don90

Opinions on this - i had been rather tight and aggressive till this point always c-betting. This was first time this opponent called me pre.

ayer	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Blue_Zero	Small blind		100.00	100.00	5036.25
The_Don90	Big blind		200.00	300.00	5361.25
	Your hole cards	J J
x	Call		200.00	500.00	8917.50
archdigger	Fold
DrFoster	Fold
mikano	Fold
Blue_Zero	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		400.00	900.00	4961.25
x	Call		400.00	1300.00	8517.50
Flop
		4 8 4
The_Don90	Bet		975.00	2275.00	3986.25
x	All-in		8517.50	10792.50	0.00
The_Don90	??????

WHOAMI196

ur givin ur opponent 41/2 to 1 here for ur opponent so he can call with virtually anything not good. 

around the 700-900 is better, main reason for this is you can distinguish his hand better also bearing in mind if the limper calls you are going to be out of position not great.

Unlike cash games you can get urself committed to a hand easily meaning you cant really be folding in this spot on the flop(leaving urself with 20 bb is bad) It looks like ur opponent has a small pair.

insta call flop for me don.

N1CK

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

ur givin ur opponent 41/2 to 1 here for ur opponent so he can call with virtually anything not good.  around the 700-900 is better, main reason for this is you can distinguish his hand better also bearing in mind if the limper calls you are going to be out of position not great. Unlike cash games you can get urself committed to a hand easily meaning you cant really be folding in this spot on the flop(leaving urself with 20 bb is bad) It looks like ur opponent has a small pair. insta call flop for me don. EDIT one thing you cant be passive and aggressive but i knew what u meant
Posted by WHOAMI196

How much is this ?....oh 4.5

shelski

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

I don't understand why you didn't ram this partyboy aipf ?
Just call it doesn't matter what they got it's just right.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : How much is this ?....oh 4.5
Posted by N1CK

a bit petty that fella, how bout posting a comment on the thread rather than nit picking 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : I don't understand why you didn't ram this partyboy aipf ? Just call it doesn't matter what they got it's just right.
Posted by shelski

because i have 30BB and want to get paid. Surley if i shove only better calls.

5toneFace

Easy call. He defo shoves alot worse. 55, 66 77 99 10 10. Any 8, flush draws. All hands you have crushed

N1CK

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : a bit petty that fella, how bout posting a comment on the thread rather than nit picking 
Posted by WHOAMI196

no its not petty or nit picking, at first glance i couldn't see what it was then as i was writing my post i realised so i thought id post it just in case anyone else had similar problems, i hope this clears it up for you

5toneFace

I was unsure what he meant aswell, and just for the record the odds are 400:900 for the opponent. which is just over 2-1 not 4.5-1

N1CK

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

I was unsure what he meant aswell, and just for the record the odds are 400:900 for the opponent. which is just over 2-1 not 4.5-1
Posted by 5toneFace

he already limped 200 so its 200/900

5toneFace

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : he already limped 200 so its 200/900
Posted by N1CK

hes made it 400 more to call. (600 total)

N1CK

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise : hes made it 400 more to call. (600 total)
Posted by 5toneFace

yes you are correct

5toneFace

phew, thought this was gonna turn into another disagreement

HartshorN

Im calling everytime only hand i see beating mine is A4suited, also if i had hit trips like that i would be just calling to get another bet out of you, and then go over the top on the turn., just so id get the value.

sharkcj

Isnt it weird how you call and almost know your behind but the call is the right thing to do!! lol! thats the alcohol from last night speaking there!! I have to say i would call but not like it and the fold can only be made on notes and up to date notes at that! But going by the way you play im guessing he knows he can make you put down big hands as you remain TAG. Did you fold??? I think you did lol

N1CK

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

phew, thought this was gonna turn into another disagreement
Posted by 5toneFace

i think it was the 41/2  to 1 that confused me lol

The_Don90

In Response to Re: JJ in BB - flop 8 high with to 4's facing massive over raise:

Isnt it weird how you call and almost know your behind but the call is the right thing to do!! lol! thats the alcohol from last night speaking there!! I have to say i would call but not like it and the fold can only be made on notes and up to date notes at that! But going by the way you play im guessing he knows he can make you put down big hands as you remain TAG. Did you fold??? I think you did lol
Posted by sharkcj

I called

I felt it was the right play as many have stated

For the record he had A4os

All great for note making

Siralos

Raise more pre, snap call on flop and love your life when he flips over a8o.

Then cry when he rivers his ace.

Edit: Didn't see your post above. Either way it's a call. He can show up with so much worse.