is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!

jesusdog22

would appreciate the comments on the following hand...should i call or fold...i never thought about re raising

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dhaval6	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£10.83
thai777	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£4.48
	Your hole cards	Q Q
bestman	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£19.69
Arcaine	Fold
dbar69	Fold
jesusdog22	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£23.80
Dhaval6	Call		£0.35	£1.00	£10.48
thai777	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£4.18
bestman	Call		£0.30	£1.60	£19.39
Flop
		3 A 6
Dhaval6	Check
thai777	Check
bestman	Check
jesusdog22	Bet		£1.20	£2.80	£22.60
Dhaval6	Fold
thai777	Fold
bestman	Call		£1.20	£4.00	£18.19
Turn
		A
bestman	Check
jesusdog22	Check
River
		J
bestman	Bet		£4.00	£8.00

all advise welcome

thanks guys and girls

pryce6

all depends on the villain but as the flush draw came in too I would just fold. If the river was a brick you could perhaps call knowing it would be a missed draw enough of the time, but he has the Ace or flush here nearly always.

scotty77

with 3 callers I prob wouldn't cbet that flop tbf

but i dont think that you played it that bad.  if the J was a spade I might call.

jesusdog22

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

all depends on the villain but as the flush draw came in too I would just fold. If the river was a brick you could perhaps call knowing it would be a missed draw enough of the time, but he has the Ace or flush here nearly always.
Posted by pryce6

sorry i dont post to many hands so i leave off some detaisl...i was fairly new to table so had no reads...i just beat nothing other then bluff...i think my pre flop raise was not enough and should of bet the turn ,maybe 3/4 pot or so

beaneh

if you folded river this is fine. you can check the flop. depends on your opponents obviously though.

DOHHHHHHH

I don't see alot here that you can beat.....

But if I were in the shoes of your opponent, I would convince myself you don't have the ace, as you wouldn't check the turn, you could have flopped a flush draw, but there's not many hands containing 2 diamonds that you would open pre flop with that don't contain either the ace or the jack.

Left with just KQ, QT and KT of diamonds......

Turn and river are great for him to represent on the river, if he thinks the hand through.

So if he wants to, he can quite comfortably bluff the river, knowing that you can't call with the majority of the hands that you could hold.

But sky micro players have you beat more often than they are bluffing here.

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It's the old question,do you look at the hand from your point of view, his point of view, or a combination of both?

He could be representing what you think he could have, because he believes you can't have what he is trying to tell you he has.

Close your eyes and hope.

But i'd fold.

And don't worry about correct plays in the long term or short term - try and get every single short term decision right, and the long term will take care of itself.

DOHHHHHHH

haha whats the conclusion?

DOHHH aint got a scooooooby

Just press the right buttons at the right times!!! ya dnt have to no y

DeucesLive

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!! : lol EDIT gets funnier each time you read it
Posted by WHOAMI196

question... do you know how to play poker? the whole nonsense with yb was one thing, but is this all you do- attack other peoples analysis? I think dohhh's got the problem spot on- trying to figure out what level your opponent's thinking at. If he's good enough, it could be a bluff- but at that level, it's just incredibly unlikely. Which is what he said. And every decision is situational, I think dohhh is correct there too- sometimes you'll make losing calls, but it'll remain the correct play at the time based on pot odds and opinion of villain. Make the right play depending on your analysis of the hand and villain in question. Note he said 'try' and get decisions right- it's that simple, give every hand the thought it deserves. I think dohhh's record as a cash player speaks volumes, he may not be on the level of the real top cash players on the site, but he knows how to crush his level day in day out. Can you say the same?

I fail to understand your amusement here.

N1CK

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

haha whats the conclusion? DOHHH aint got a scooooooby Just press the right buttons at the right times!!! ya dnt have to no y
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

my conlusion is that WHOAMI196 is a tossa

N1CK

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!! : lol EDIT gets funnier each time you read it
Posted by WHOAMI196

look Dohhhh is really rubbish at poker but he would pwn you all day long..lol

DOHHHHHHH

Yikes - I didn't read WHOAMI's post like that.....

I thought he was just messin? and tbf what I wrote was abit of a head f*k!

Spoken with him a few times on the tables and around the forum - so maybe that's why I knew he was messing? - Im pretty sure he didn't mean it like you guys r taking it???????

Might just be another DOHHHHH mis-read. lol

N1CK

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

Nice attack again guys ur all Egotistic ???????............ i crush these levels every day m8 so im prob more qualified to comment on NL10 than any one here ....Nick ......all you do is nit pick on every frigin post ur a sad ????   im holdin back here coz i bet the sky mods have their finger on the ban button so im gonna end this sh.....
Posted by WHOAMI196

No i don't nit pick i just like to clarify what people say so i can improve my game and one day aspire to be a great nl10 balla like you.....

DeucesLive

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

Yikes - I didn't read WHOAMI's post like that..... I thought he was just messin? and tbf what I wrote was abit of a head f*k! Spoken with him a few times on the tables and around the forum - so maybe that's why I knew he was messing? - Im pretty sure he didn't mean it like you guys r taking it??????? Might just be another DOHHHHH mis-read. lol
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

always give a guy benefit of doubt once, but that was used up on yb- I think he's being out of order to a lot of big players without backing it up, at all.

I'm sure you crush 10nl- not being funny, but that's really not hard, at all. It most certainly doesn't allow you to totally rubbish guys that can crush 30/50nl (dohhh) and 100nl (yb) without even giving a proper reason. By all means disagree, but comments like 'LOL YOU ARE STOOPID' to players who can crush levels much, much harder are really pointless.

If I misunderstood your post, then of course I apologise.

DeucesLive

it's not a direct quote, it's the rough tone of your posts- you could call it a short paraphrasing.

However, if you'd like a direct quote-

'OMG again if i was been given 3/2 and i bet £2 i would make £5 on return if i win geez its not hard,  SO UR WRONG'

not a massive amount different, let's be honest. I would be very wary of arguing with someone like yb on mathematical questions, since he's one of the very best when it comes to the math side on this site.

And the apology was only extended if I'd misunderstood your intentions, seems unlikely I did, so no apology forthcoming anyway. Enjoy your poker.

N1CK

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!!:

In Response to Re: is a fold to tight and is a call the right thing long term!!!! : i was just messin, ur post just made me laugh not what u where saying but ...the complexity of it i got tung tied while reading it,  BTW you where right not to take me seriously ty m8 
Posted by WHOAMI196

i think you need to be more constructive instead of getting all aggressive when people point out your mistakes

pryce6

so it's a fold right?

jesusdog22

so here i was coming back from a cinema trip and thought wow my post has taken off how nice to get a lot of feedback, and then i read it....oh well thought it was to good to be true...thanks for anyone who actually respnded to my question, and yes i did fold as i did not know enough about the guy to know what to do....as it turned out after playing with him for a while i def think he had a4 someting like that