Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind

GaryQQQ

What's your play here guys?

The villain is an unknown who has only just arrived at my table, so we have no reads to help our decision. We are both near the top of the field but nowhere near the money bubble yet.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
GaryQQQ	Small blind		50.00	50.00	5602.75
villain	Big blind		100.00	150.00	4571.00
	Your hole cards	8 7
	Fold
	Fold
	Fold
GaryQQQ	Raise		150.00	300.00	5452.75
villain	Call		100.00	400.00	4471.00
Flop
		6 9 7
GaryQQQ	Bet		300.00	700.00	5152.75
villain	Raise		800.00	1500.00	3671.00
GaryQQQ

WHOAMI196

SHOVE it all in!!

N1CK

i would raise a bit more pf, on the flop i would just bet call and play the turn as its only middle pair but with a lot of equity, he could have a number of hands, i think if you 3bet flop then obviously its with the intention of getting it in, i just think we are both to deep to go crazy

DOHHHHHHH

Go all in and hope he calls.

Mohican

Min raise is bad. Going to be called with a wide range here and you're oop.
As played reraise or fold. You've got umpteen outs(9 for  flush, 6 for straight, 2 for trips, 3 for 2pair).Although two pair may not be good here. You're going to have to be prepared to get it all in here as he's not going to just flat your raise.

GREGHOGG

easy reship!

N1CK

your flush outs could be dirty he could have strt, fd, 2p, set, you might have say about 55% equity in this pot, would you call a shove pre if you knew you was racing this deep? ok you got some FE but its vs unknown whos shown strength good luck

N1CK

maybe im a mtt super nit

GREGHOGG

If we get it all in here, unless he has a 7 with better fd and kicker or a set, we are in reasonable shape! He could call with just a higher fd, or fold it!

This is a must reship for me N1ck. If we we flat the flop and miss the turn we are praying for a free or cheap turn card, which we almost certainly will not get.

Get it in here, put the decision on your opponent. Great chance for the chip lead if we get called, and if he folds we pick up some nice chips.

I dunno what you mean by would you call a shove pre. This is irrelevant, we have seen a monster flop!

N1CK

i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move

DOHHHHHHH

^^^^^^^^^^^ and in his own words - that !! ^^^^^^^^

He means would you be happy getting your stack in pre flop with QQ, if yu were 100% sure your opponent had AK?

As you are around 55%....

What he is saying,is that on the flop, we may be a similar sized, marginal favourite against alot of his range, which he will never fold, so why accept 55% here if you wouldn't pre flop. 

pryce6

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move
Posted by N1CK

3 betting this flop is definitely the best move imo. I wouldn't raise this hand, see this flop and not want to get it in.

N1CK

if this is still the rebuy period then it can play different

GaryQQQ

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

if this is still the rebuy period then it can play different
Posted by N1CK

Yep, this is still the re-buy period, we can do a double re-buy for 4,000 chips if we lose our stack.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

i just think if you shove hes only calling with hand that we aint a big fav against and he folds the hands that we are huge against, maybe im wrong i just think shoving aint the best move
Posted by N1CK

Remember that we dont know about the villain, he could be a donkey and call with worse, or he could be a good player, capable of folding a better hand!

GaryQQQ

Spoiler

The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair.

If you knew this would you still shove?

N1CK

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind : Yep, this is still the re-buy period, we can do a double re-buy for 4,000 chips if we lose our stack.
Posted by GaryQQQ

in that case its not bad to gamble,  but there is still an argument for calling and playing poker for the reasons i said imo

N1CK

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

Spoiler The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair. If you knew this would you still shove?
Posted by GaryQQQ

in the rebuy im happy to gamble as he should call,
in these rebuy periods you have to take some gambles to build up a big stack there is usually a lot of chips flying around and you need to get a good stack for after the break

LOL_RAISE

we are a 2:1 favorite vs 67cc so obv we get it in, as you can rebuy its an auto super ship

yb

lol nick you must be a massive nit to not be happy stacking off here in any format!

the only time I would just flat the raise would be if I was playing against someone really spewy, and then it would be with the intention of c/shoving any turn.

Also if our flush draw is dirty in this spot its a very good thing lol.

Mohican

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

Spoiler The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair. If you knew this would you still shove?
Posted by GaryQQQ

Without hesitation. You got 18 clean outs. Doesn't get much better than that.

N1CK

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

lol nick you must be a massive nit to not be happy stacking off here in any format! the only time I would just flat the raise would be if I was playing against someone really spewy, and then it would be with the intention of c/shoving any turn. Also if our flush draw is dirty in this spot its a very good thing lol.
Posted by yb

yeah i didnt think of that lol

Siralos

[ ] interesting

[x] get it in all every day of the week.

beaneh

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

Spoiler The villains hole cards are 6c 7c, he has flopped 2 pair. If you knew this would you still shove?
Posted by GaryQQQ

I'D SHOVE PRE

what a dumb thread.

it's a rebuy

you raise

you flop the world

there is no question.

GaryQQQ

Thanks guys, this was an easy shove for me. FWIW I missed all my outs but an offsuit 9 on the river meant a split pot.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Re-buy MTT interesting spot, blind vs blind:

Thanks guys, this was an easy shove for me. FWIW I missed all my outs but an offsuit 9 on the river meant a split pot.
Posted by GaryQQQ

I would include this as an "out" lol.

Spilt "outs" are better than losing the lot!

LnarinOO

ofcourse u gotta get it in here......

i stoved it just incased against all his 2pair, pair plus draws, sets etc etc and this is our equity....

 against this range.......99-66,A9s,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A9o,T9o,98o,87o,76o

7h8h is 58% how can u not take this edge unless ur a complete nit!!!

oh....and even if he has NFD we are 71 %

and another thing if its rebuys then wtf!! whoever said not to get it in good is stupid!!