how do i play this, any advice would be great!

yiddo111

hi there,

am new to this so bare with me,

hand that has got me confused, i was playing a £5.50 tournament and had 3000 (smallish stack) chips, blinds were 100/200, just moved to the table.

i was bb and had 4 4

cut off raised to 400
button called
SB called.

should i have gone all in as there was nearly half my stack at the table and nobody really showed strength apart from the initial raiser?


Next part -

i called and the flop came 6 8 8

S B checked

should i once again get my chips in now?

i checked as did the other 2

turn came Q

S B checked and i did too button put in 1000 and everyone folded


how should i have played this? your help would be very grateful


mike

WHOAMI196

No to ur first question imo...in tourneys you want to avoid flips even having around 15bb you still have a few rounds before you have to make a move so folding is ok BUT if ur adamant to play this there is only 2 ways imo

1 shove pre preferred 

2 calling to hit ur set if not fold to a bet

yiddo111

In Response to Re: how do i play this, any advice would be great!:

No to ur first question imo...in tourneys you want to avoid flips even having around 15bb you still have a few rounds before you have to make a move so folding is ok BUT if ur adamant to play this there is only 2 ways imo 1 shove pre preferred  2 calling to hit ur set if not fold to a bet
Posted by WHOAMI196

thanks for that

i understand i want to avoid flips, but there is a very good chance they all fold as there was only a min raise and callers, and i couold win half my stack uncontested.

do you not think in the long run this play would result in negative equity then?

as i played it out thou i did exactly what you said for optiion 2, i just felt at the time i made the wrong play

WHOAMI196

if it was a heads up situation , calling and representing any flop therefore open shoving is a good play since ur 1 opponent is likely to have missed the flop, since we do miss more flops than we hit! 

but doing this in a three way is not a good move sine 1 of the 2 opponents are likely to have hit. So in hindsight playing for the set is defo -ev here so shoving pre is definitely the better choice  and as i said folding is ok too imo

yiddo111

In Response to Re: how do i play this, any advice would be great!:

if it was a heads up situation , calling and representing any flop therefore open shoving is a good play since ur 1 opponent is likely to have missed the flop, since we do miss more flops than we hit!  but doing this in a three way is not a good move sine 1 of the 2 opponents are likely to have hit. So in hindsight playing for the set is defo -ev here so shoving pre is definitely the better choice  and as i said folding is ok too imo
Posted by WHOAMI196

sorry i was talking abaout whether pre flop shoving being a negative equity move,

i would never really call with 3 others and shove, only said that because it was a good flop,

but you said in first post, No to my first question, which was shoould i shove pre flop.

GaryQQQ

Don't call and shove the flop here (aka as a stop-and-go, google it) against 3 opponents, only use that tactic against 1. Shoving pre is a possibility, you might get 3 folds, but 44 in the BB in a raise/call/call pot is too light to shove IMO. I prefer a fold pre-flop, you're too shallow to call/fold for set mining.

GREGHOGG

If the original raiser has been min raising a lot, i would be shipping the lot here pre to get folds and pick up the dead money. This would work if we have a tight image imo.

This would also depend on the size of the other players stacks too, but i think we would just have enough to get this through. But its a bit dodgy.

scotty77

we have a decent shipping stack here.  if we think that the C/O is raising light, then a ship should get thru a decent amount of the time.

button/SB are never flatting a min raise and calling an AI so we only have to worry about the C/O.