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Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
edited January 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I'm guessing he's a nit? I'd bet like 13-14ish.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DOHHHHHHH Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £44.71
    xxxBig blind  £0.30 £0.45 £51.72
      Your hole cards
    • 4
    • 6
    		     
    Swerv444 Call  £0.30 £0.75 £11.67
    DOHHHHHHH Call  £0.15 £0.90 £44.56
    xxxCheck     
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 2
    • 5
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Bet  £0.60 £1.50 £43.96
    xxxRaise  £2.10 £3.60 £49.62
    Swerv444 Call  £2.10 £5.70 £9.57
    DOHHHHHHH Raise  £8.00 £13.70 £35.96
    xxxCall  £6.50 £20.20 £43.12
    Swerv444 All-in  £9.57 £29.77 £0.00
    DOHHHHHHH Call  £3.07 £32.84 £32.89
    xxxCall  £3.07 £35.91 £40.05
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH
    I think I made a mistake on the turn in this hand - I got abit excited I think ! lol

    The villain would be in my top 5 regs at this level, played 100s of hands together. He percieves me as loose, abit spewy sometimes, but he knows I do ok at this level.

    He isn't a nit, but he aint spewy either, he's pretty solid, with moves.

    It's unraised, so he can literally have any 2 here. When he raises my lead on the flop though, he's never doing this as a bluff in an unraised pot. I decided to make a large 3 bet on the flop - as I believed his range of hands was pretty strong, I can almost narrow it right down to a flopped 2 pair, and sometimes a set.

    The shorty gets it in, so we go to the turn with £35 in the middle, and £32 behind.

    I really didn't know what bet to make here. I got stuck - I never flop the nuts :(

    What would you do, and why?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011

    ^^^^^^^^

    Sorry I had to post the hand so I could see it (for stacks n stuff) - write the background, then c n p it into O.P.
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  • jakallyjakally
    edited January 2011

    With a dry side pot, if he's a thinking player, anything you bet now looks super strong.

    Given that you have less than a PSB left, I would be tempted to jam, and hope he levels himself to call with 2 pair etc...

    Alternative is to flick in a weak bet (£8 - £10?), which he can't fold to, and may even come over the top of.


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  • ybyb
    edited January 2011
    well if you bet anything less than the rest of your stack he'll know you're nutted.

    I'd also pot the flop.
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  • pryce6pryce6
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    well if you bet anything less than the rest of your stack he'll know you're nutted. I'd also pot the flop.
    Posted by yb
    he knows we have a v strong hand anyway. He's called the flop so he has at least 2 pair/set, maybe even A4. If we jam and he's good enough he's going to fold so much - plus with the all in he knows your going to showdown so this is rarely a bluff.

    This is difficult spot to get value, whatever he does (shove/bet weak) isn't wrong. I'd just bet weaker myself. I said 13ish originally but having read the description i'd probs go even lower, maybe just over £10. 
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  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect
    edited January 2011
    as he the bb and raising that flop i think its safe to assume he has at least 2p so i'd try getting it in on the flop as theres a few cards that will kill our action on the turn

    as played jamming turn is best
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011

    I can't get it in on the flop when he flats my raise to £8, the shorty makes it £3 more - I can't raise again....


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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited January 2011
    All in, as i put them on set or 2 pair. with your image you are definately getting called unless they have overpair which is unlikely as i doubt they would limp

    if they are calling a value bet then they are calling a shove, get it in and hope their on a set or 2nd nuts would be ideal :)
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  • ybyb
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing? : he knows we have a v strong hand anyway. He's called the flop so he has at least 2 pair/set, maybe even A4. If we jam and he's good enough he's going to fold so much - plus with the all in he knows your going to showdown so this is rarely a bluff. This is difficult spot to get value, whatever he does (shove/bet weak) isn't wrong. I'd just bet weaker myself. I said 13ish originally but having read the description i'd probs go even lower, maybe just over £10. 
    Posted by pryce6
    If the oppo wasnt good then I would prob bet weaker because they are virtually never folding, but to a good reg our hand looks unbeliveably strong. I think the best way to get called is to shove and level him into thinking that we are trying to get him to fold a made hand so that we get to showdown with decent equity against the shorty.
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2011
     if you wana level him chk raise simple lol
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  • pryce6pryce6
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing? : If the oppo wasnt good then I would prob bet weaker because they are virtually never folding, but to a good reg our hand looks unbeliveably strong. I think the best way to get called is to shove and level him into thinking that we are trying to get him to fold a made hand so that we get to showdown with decent equity against the shorty.
    Posted by yb
    yeah I see what you mean. He folds either way imo.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited January 2011
    i dont get why you are talking about leveling. its a limped pot and we 3bet the flop we always have a set or better.
    i actually think flatting the flop raise is best if we are against a good reg
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited January 2011
    it's nl30 stop saying good reg like he's going to make iveystyle reads on us. 

    we have FIVE IN A ROW

    do a bet
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2011
    his hand is pretty strong check turn he bets vs Dohhh to protect his equity you go allin hes committed easy game no dramas blah blah blah you get it in 100% of the time this way
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    it's nl30 stop saying good reg like he's going to make iveystyle reads on us.  we have FIVE IN A ROW do a bet
    Posted by beaneh
    Do you not think the fact that he's a good reg, rather than a bad reg/short stacker that's run good etc etc etc is relevant to the discussion and therefore the decision I make?

    I dunno, you moan when people don't include info on the villain, and you moan when they do.

    I have established it is a good time to do a bet.

    I am unsure as to "how much" to bet.

    And I would/should bet different amounts according to a players ability. Obviously.

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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2011
    DONT BET ITS BAD LOL
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  • HartshorNHartshorN
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing? : Do you not think the fact that he's a good reg, rather than a bad reg/short stacker that's run good etc etc etc is relevant to the discussion and therefore the decision I make? I dunno, you moan when people don't include info on the villain, and you moan when they do. I have established it is a good time to do a bet. I am unsure as to "how much" to bet. And I would/should bet different amounts according to a players ability. Obviously.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    I ship it on the turn, betting into a dry pot shows more strength than shipping it there and then.

    Also if you do a small value bet on the turn, it get's called then suddenly the board pairs or the 3rd diamond comes and it stops you from then making another bet and affectly getting it all in.
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing? : Do you not think the fact that he's a good reg, rather than a bad reg/short stacker that's run good etc etc etc is relevant to the discussion and therefore the decision I make? I dunno, you moan when people don't include info on the villain, and you moan when they do. I have established it is a good time to do a bet. I am unsure as to "how much" to bet. And I would/should bet different amounts according to a players ability. Obviously.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    'good reg' is relative.


    You have less than the pot back, he has a strong hand obviously, strawberry jam all day.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011

    OH EM GEEEEEEEEEEE

    HOW CAN I NOT STACK YOU THERE CORBETT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HOW T F CAN U FOLD !!
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  • corbett04corbett04
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    OH EM GEEEEEEEEEEE HOW CAN I NOT STACK YOU THERE CORBETT !!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW T F CAN U FOLD !!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    lolz, u run like god v me...
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2011
    what was the action on the turn and what did you fold?
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  • pryce6pryce6
    edited January 2011
    he folded set of 3s.

    it's a good fold obv...but srsly doh can show up with 2pair or 2s enough here I put it in anyway. And if he has the straight then we have outs.
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2011
    did dohhh shove the turn?
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited January 2011
    doh bet 18 on turn
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  • zingzing
    edited January 2011
    if you shoved turn wth are you doing?

    it's like you want folds
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011
    1 minute 15 seconds onwards....
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qPgrCFcwFk&feature=related !!!!

    My bet was too big on the turn - but I shud have been able to pull out another 100, stick it on the table, put it in, and get a call.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Also if the shorty isn't involved I bet I get a call - curiosity would have killed the Corbett.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: Nuts v solid 30nl reg, turn bet sizing?:
    it's nl30 stop saying good reg like he's going to make iveystyle reads on us.  we have FIVE IN A ROW do a bet
    Posted by beaneh

     !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ! 
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