My river Dilema...

WHOAMI196

I Took a diferent route on this hand and should have really bet the flop and turn hard but this is how i played it and it got ugly by the river......so call or raise/shove

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxxxxxx	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£2.59
xxxxx	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£7.76
	Your hole cards	8 8
xxxxx	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£23.33
WHOAMI196	Raise		£0.50	£0.75	£23.69
xxxxxx	Fold
xxxxxx	Fold
xxxxx	Fold
xxxxx	Call		£0.40	£1.15	£7.36
xxxxx	Call		£0.40	£1.55	£22.93
Flop
		2 9 8
xxxxx	Check
xxxxx	Bet		£0.10	£1.65	£22.83
WHOAMI196	Call		£0.10	£1.75	£23.59
xxxxxx	Call		£0.10	£1.85	£7.26
Turn
		Q
xxxxx	Check
xxxxx	Bet		£0.93	£2.78	£21.90
WHOAMI196	Raise		£2.50	£5.28	£21.09
xxxxx	Fold
xxxx	Call		£1.57	£6.85	£20.33
River
		K
xxxxx	Bet		£3.43	£10.28	£16.90

N1CK

it looks like he has Q9 here so i would be defo raising the river for value lol

WHOAMI196

Ur a T^^t nick lol ruind it now u bum

N1CK

i guess he could have 10 J....................

waynec

what reads do u have on the xxxx? without good reads I would call and spew if he has the flush

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: My river Dilema...:

what reads do u have on the xxxx? without good reads I would call and spew if he has the flush
Posted by waynecure

Ie its just how the hand played out,  the villain is very loose so his range is verywide  10 j is the more likely hand he coud have ....he min bet flop like he was drawing then a stronger bet on the turn as if he made his hand ..... no excuses i played this hand badly and read the board and villain like a dumb a^^

but do you shove the river or play it weak and call

garyK1972

In Response to Re: My river Dilema...:

In Response to Re: My river Dilema... : Ie its just how the hand played out,  the villain is very loose so his range is verywide  10 j is the more likely hand he coud have ....he min bet flop like he was drawing then a stronger bet on the turn as if he made his hand ..... no excuses i played this hand badly and read the board and villain like a dumb a^^ but do you shove the river or play it weak and call
Posted by WHOAMI196

why would you now raise the river when u now have a fsirly decent showdown hand, but by no means the best hand.

he may of called the turn reraise with the nut str8, or as he then got a flush draw.

Flat call.

N1CK

i would min raise the river and dump the best hand when he overvalues two pair and shoves........

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: My river Dilema...:

i would min raise the river and dump the best hand when he overvalues two pair and shoves........
Posted by N1CK

lol

thejudge10

check call the river.

thejudge10

Sorry,should explain why check call.

If you bet and he raise you what do you do?
depending on the size of his raise.

if you bet and he shoves,what do you do
is it a bluff?

basically if you bet think you will only be called by a better hand,j10 or flush.

N1CK

when he min bets the flop he has a nine 99% of the time, now i would feel by calling the min im being robbed of value so i want to raise enough as to keep him in, when the queen hits he obviously loves that card so im pretty sure he has Q9 now  so i would shove here because im 95% sure he will call with his monster 2 pair.....

thejudge10

yes i agree,but could also have j 10,same would apply,so when the queen comes on turn,he bets out,then he is raised,he knows that his oppent also has a big hand,so he just flats the the raise,hoping to get more value on the river.
you cant rule out j 10. so therefore the safest option is to chck call.

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: My river Dilema...:

basically if you bet think you will only be called by a better hand,j10 or flush.
Posted by thejudge10

cheers m8 that was my dilema really, im never folding here but i just applied damage limitation by calling his bet on the river....... by not raising the flop i got stuck on the river as it was plausible he could have j10 or the flush.

But i defo missed a trick  ......

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
sb	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£2.59
bb	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£7.76
	Your hole cards	8 8
utg	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£23.33
WHOAMI196	Raise		£0.50	£0.75	£23.69
utg1	Fold
utg2	Fold
sb	Fold
bb	Call		£0.40	£1.15	£7.36
utg	Call		£0.40	£1.55	£22.93
Flop
		2 9 8
bb	Check
utg	Bet		£0.10	£1.65	£22.83
WHOAMI196	Call		£0.10	£1.75	£23.59
bb	Call		£0.10	£1.85	£7.26
Turn
		Q
bb	Check
utg	Bet		£0.93	£2.78	£21.90
WHOAMI196	Raise		£2.50	£5.28	£21.09
bb	Fold
utg	Call		£1.57	£6.85	£20.33
River
		K
utg	Bet		£3.43	£10.28	£16.90
WHOAMI196	Call		£3.43	£13.71	£17.66
utg	Show	Q 9
WHOAMI196	Show	8 8
WHOAMI196	Win	Three 8s	£12.68		£30.34