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Can you make this call
Hi All,
Take a look at this hand that took place in the Orfordable Deepstack.
I had been playing tight and for once tried a bit of a move. I win in the end but the result is irrelevant to the question.
Now i know he had only to put 25% of his stack to call but, when i put in that it was a brave call Ozzie replied that he was ahead.
My question is how many of you would have called on that board in a slow blind tourney?
How did he KNOW he was ahead with bottom pair against a player who 3 bet reraises all in?
cheers
col
Take a look at this hand that took place in the Orfordable Deepstack.
I had been playing tight and for once tried a bit of a move. I win in the end but the result is irrelevant to the question.
| agent2 | Small blind | 200.00 | 200.00 | 6712.50 | |
| mr_mbro | Big blind | 400.00 | 600.00 | 4510.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| simally | Fold | ||||
| crawfy | Fold | ||||
| 999ACE | Fold | ||||
| pod1 | Fold | ||||
| Dudeskin8 | Fold | ||||
| Ozzie08 | Raise | 800.00 | 1400.00 | 12450.00 | |
| diablo_pez | Fold | ||||
| agent2 | Fold | ||||
| mr_mbro | Call | 400.00 | 1800.00 | 4110.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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| mr_mbro | Bet | 800.00 | 2600.00 | 3310.00 | |
| Ozzie08 | Raise | 1600.00 | 4200.00 | 10850.00 | |
| mr_mbro | All-in | 3310.00 | 7510.00 | 0.00 | |
| Ozzie08 | Call | 2510.00 | 10020.00 | 8340.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| mr_mbro | Show |
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| Ozzie08 | Muck |
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| mr_mbro | Win | Three 10s | 10020.00 | 10020 | |
My question is how many of you would have called on that board in a slow blind tourney?
How did he KNOW he was ahead with bottom pair against a player who 3 bet reraises all in?
cheers
col
Comments
Dont particularly like several things about this hand.
1. Dont like Ozzie's min raise which allows you in cheaply.
2. Dont like your half pot CB.
3. I certainly dont like his call.
However, looking at the hand in isolation does not take into consideration the play at the table and the history between you two.
As it happens, you were a 25% dog after the flop and got lucky so you were pleased he called.
Just my humble opinion m8.
Roy
I agree i was very lucky, but the point is that this was a deepstack not your usual quick structure.
There in lies the bones of this question, that is why would anyone in a deep structure choose to put 25% of there stack on a hunch. I showed strength with the allin, and as i had been playing tight, why would you think i did not have the goods.
col
If i am Ozzie in this hand, I wouldnt just minreraise on the flop, i would commit you to the pot with my reraise (maybe even all in!) to take your move out of the equasion. Either that, or flat call and reassess on the turn.
If i was you, i generally wouldnt be betting out on the flop in this situation. Basically i will wait for my opponants "C" bet (size etc) and then decide whether to check raise (all in) or to fold... (more likely)
Other point i would make is that although its a deepstack A. he has you covered by a fair bit, and B your short (10 bbs ish) so you dont have a lot of moves left really.
Nice result in the end for you, but once Ozzie has minreraised on the flop, i dont see how he can fold to your shove because of the amount in the pot and the fact that he has you covered. Ozzie is not the sort of player that will fold after he has shown such strength by raising pre and then reraising on the flop. I dont think this move would ever get through here and i dont blame Ozzie for calling.
Greg
agree with you there jimbo ozzie does not make donk calls have played him loads of times
having looked at the hand after flop oz probally thought he was ahead he may have put col on high cards (not pair) or high cards suited after cols bet plus i'm sure you 2 have played each other loads of times so ozzie probally thought you were maybe bluffing and thats why i think he made the call
but what do i know i'm still learning from you both
dtw aka michael
that the loonie in this specific case is
MR MBRO
(for doubting that ozzie would call)
THIS DECISION IS FINAL
Do you actually have a point here, other than calling me a loonie, WHICH I DO NOT APPRECIATE.
If, in the future you cannot make a comment without putting in a name calling comment, then please dont comment on any of my threads again.
Thank you
Col
PS i dont give a monkeys if it was made in jest. I dont do it to other and would prefer it if it didnt happen to me.
You know me mate, i dont normally make a move like that and was trying something different, my point was that in a quick structure then his call would have been expected, but when the cards went on their backs and he only had a pair of 2s, my question was could you make that call with only bottom pair for 25% of your stack, against a tight player. As i also stated i got very lucky in hitting trip 10s.
I also saw his min raise as a bit of bullying.
col
Your opinion of this thread is to cast ngeative reactions to Ozzies play.
To answer that PLEASE look at the title i was asking any others if they could make that call. Not to have a go at Ozzies play. I do not condone ANYONE calling people names, but it s not my place to defend someone i dont know personnally, and if Ozzie was upset by that happening then i am sure he would have replied to it.
If Ozzies believes, like you, that my aim was to provoke such comments then i will apologise to him, personnally, but not to people who take pee out of me.
thank you
"can you make this call"---what exactly are you trying to achieve here?--if its not negative comments on ozzies play?
What am i trying to achieve here?. Well a discussion on different ways of playing(thats what this section is for).
If i'd wanted to insult Ozzie then i would have put it in as "what a supid call", but AS I DIDNT THINK THAT, i tried to put a question.
So i'll say this again IF OZZIE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS THEN I WILL DISCUSS WITH THEM AND THEM ONLY.
Thank you for your comments but lets leave it there as sooner or later one or both of us will say something to get the other banned.
SO to the mods, Rich at my request can you shut this down now, thanks Col
His min-raise was the problem - it left him pot-committed. On the flop it was either a fold or a shove. Since there was no pre-flop raise by Mbro, 952 looks like a hit so I would fold.
You're flop lead looks so bluffy and weak I'm always raising here even if I ahve total air, however I don't think the villain looked at your stack size. If he had thought about it more then an AI woulda been a far better option.
But also once he min-raises and you push there is very little FE there. He is ahead of some flush draw hands plus even if you have something like K9 then he isn't dead and can still hit.
His stack size is such that I think this call is ok.
Given the way the hand went, don't see anything other than a call coming from me if I was Ozzy.
Villain then min reraises which screams strength again. If you didn fold pre, i feel you should now.
I just wonder what you put the villain on that u thort u'd get him to fold? he aint folding any draws or ova pairs or top pair, so all you can make him fold is air, but he may even make a loose call with overs in this spot also.
In my opinion your stack wasnt big enough for the play you wanted to make.
Its only my opinion, hope it helps sumhow