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Pot Odds
Jw if any 1 would help me?
played poker for about 3 years but only since playing on here ive realised the importance of learning pot odds
could some 1 help me with this if they have got the time?
wud be appretiated
i get the odds of working out the outs i just need help say i got a low pocket pair and some 1 has got to overcards what do i have to work out i know its summet to do wit the odds of u winning anf the amount u have to pay isnt it?
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ok will do mate chers
any chance u could send me a link to a good one?
https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a2e4f51cb-c64c-449f-a843-8db9c5fe7283Forum%3a1c6aca1e-3fea-4914-8d99-3f30a0f01e50Discussion%3ae77bd4a6-718c-4aa8-9834-0fc838d43069
so basically u put your oppenent on a hand and if u think ur behind but by gaining a card ur hand will be better then his u work out out the total number of outs u believe u there is minus the cards u have already seen
then wateva that is total number of outs divided by amount of cards left to see
and a bit that i am confused with say that works out at 3 to 1 is that the odds of getting hand or not getting ur hand??
anything else i need to know?
if your having problems with % to make your hand eg. straight on sky click on hot o meter and will give you the % that way its easier to call and work out odds
is it importatnt to know like pocket 8s to to overcards is like just about a coinflip? what are all the overs
also when u believe u have the best cards are u ment to give them good pott ods and wen u havent wrong pott odds to help bluff?
If you put your opponent on a flush draw you have to overbet it and not give them good odds, 1) they may fold so you win 2)you dont want them to outdraw you because you gave them the odds and so on
As for bluffing it really depends on the game its impossible to say there is a set amount etc. this has nothing to do with pot odds, unless you bet little enough for them to call with their a high or bottom pair. sometimes you can use to your advantage if your against a player who will lay a hand down but generally value or 1/2 pot for bluff
so do u need to work out pott odds on every hand and every street or is it just when u put ue behind in a hand?
cont u dnt need to work them out do you?
also say u got a pair shud u work out if u think ur behind say u put him on higher pair
do u work odds of this out? eg 2 pair trips or do u not do this?
Hi guys,
I know these are never too popular but I've had to remove some posts by those of you who have linked to external websites. Sky forum posting policies, etc.
Please do refrain from posting to third party sites where possible. If you do need some help with pot odds, the thread which Wayne mentions is very good. You could also email in to the studio on one of our live show nights (Thurs/Sat/Sun) if you have a strategy question which you'd like one of the analysts to tackle for you.
Thanks a lot for your understanding folks.
Dave
player 1 raises with A K
Player 2 re raises with J 5 suited ( stupid i know )
Player 1 shoves all in
player 2 Calls
commentator says he has right price to call ( he had 3 to 1 on his money )
so as he has to live cards
why does he have right price to call?
is it that1 in 3 chance of winning?
If he could see the cards he would know he had a 1 in 3 chance to win which is 2:1 odds.
The 3:1 pot odds are bigger than the 2:1 odds of him winning = profit over the long run.
If you think of the odds values a £1 it makes more sense.
For every three bets in the long run he will loose 2 = - £2, and win one = + £3, giving him a £1 profit for every three times he makes this same play.
also was it you who said u read the dan harrington book?
if so is this the best book for odds and plays etc?
o the pot odds how do u work them out quick enuf on sky poker with the timer?
Someone else who has played you is prob better to answer that. Like I say i'm a new player I'm just a geek and the maths is what I like about the game lol.
Example 1 - CALCULATING POT ODDS
We assume our opponent has Kh-Qh on a a Qd 5c 4d flop. We have Ac-Kc.
Step 1: Count how many outs we have
We've got three aces as well as running J-T for a straight. The running cards are a relatively small percentage shot, so we'll ignore those in a practical situation.
How many outs do we have? Three. NOT five as the two remaining kings make our opponent two pair.
Step 2: Applying the Rule of Four and Two
Probably the most important bit of poker maths to remember.
Take how many outs you have and multiply it by four if you're on the flop or two if you're on the turn. This gives you a rough percentage of how many times you'll win this pot.
In our example we have 3 outs x 4 = 12%. That means the opponent wins roughly 88% (chops and runners ignored).
Step 3: Turning the percentage into pot odds.
In the 88/12 shot, we will win roughly one in every seven times. That makes us a 6/1 underdog.
Step 4: Am I getting the right odds?
Now to looking at the pot size. Let's say the pot is at 4,000 and the opponent moves all in for his last 2,000. We have him covered. The pot now offers us 6,000 - 4k already in there PLUS the 2k all in. We have to call 2,000 to win 6,000 whichi is a 3/1 bet. We don't have the right pot odds here (you'd need 25% for this to be a correct mathematical call) so you should fold.
EXAMPLE 2: All of that done much quicker.
Set-up. We think our opponent has Ad-Ac on a 9h-8h-7h flop. We have Ah-Ts.
We have 9 hearts to make a flush plus six other straightening cards - Jacks or Sixes. Be careful not to count the Jh and 6h twice. That means we have 15 outs. Aces are not an out for us here as it makes our opponent a set.
15 x 4 = 60%
Pot from preflop action = 5,500.
Villain moves all in for 5,000.
Our stack = 7,400.
Do we have the right odds?
Pot offered = 10,500. (5,500 + 5,000)
Our call = 5,000.
Pot odds: 10.5 v 5 or 2.1 v 1. We EASILY have the right odds to call here. We'd need to be a 6/4 underdog before we should even contemplate a fold. Get your money in already!
I hope this helps!
Sky Dave
if you want to make sure your getting correct odds eg. flush etc use the hot-o-meter as this gives you the percentage so from this you should be able to simplify
eg. 20% = 4-1
25%=3-1
and so on, personally someone else could probably explain it better but thats the simpliest way i know
Always struggle with this bit - doesn't that make you a 5/1 underdog ??
Spot on, Clubhammer. That'll learn me for trying to post strategy while multitasking
Take the percentage and make it into a fraction. So I win 12/100 but we can simplify this to 1.2/10 or around 1/8.3
NOTE: Odds is success to failure.
I will succeed 1 time and fail 8.3 so the odds = 1:7.3
How did I get 7.3? I take the total and subtract the number of times I will succeed. In this case it's 8.3 - 1 = 7.3.
So yes, I was wrong on that one too. Not that I am blaming multitasking for that, I simply forgot basic maths!
helps alot
like to ask tho..
Pot offered = 10,500. (5,500 + 5,000)
Our call = 5,000.
Pot odds: 10.5 v 5 or 2.1 v 1. We EASILY have the right odds to call here. We'd need to be a 6/4 underdog before we should even contemplate a fold. Get your money in already
in chip terms what wud it have to be to warrant a fod?
this is where bit confused im 60 percent fav to make my hand against the aces
so less then 6/4 on my money
300 to win another 450 wud also be a call yh?
If you are working out if you can call a bet on the flop, and it is likely you will be faced with a further bet on the turn should you miss, then to compare your chances of winning to the pot odds offered, you still need to use outs x 2, i.e your percentage of hitting on the turn card only.
Hope that makes sense