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what the flip!?

edited January 2011 in The Poker Clinic
this hand vs good solid reg, leaving his name in because it will help in deciding wether it was a good play etc. plus im sure he wouldnt mind...he raises this amount all the time so no info gained by the preflop raise, i hit the flop pretty big, i know if i bet vs him here he folds majority of the time so i check, bet the turn because of the possible draws and the river is a tad yucky. i put a value bet in and get re-popped fairly big. did he have KK/AA? scared of the flop and didnt bet? flopped set? flippin heck.

Hand History #332005552 (20:13 20/01/2011)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
ezryder Sit out        
JEFFD234 Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £89.37
hurst05 Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £162.32
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • J
     
cyberdog Fold        
cottlad Raise   £3.00 £4.50 £99.65
BARNEY1908 Fold        
JEFFD234 Call   £2.50 £7.00 £86.87
hurst05 Call   £2.00 £9.00 £160.32
Flop
   
  • 5
  • Q
  • J
     
JEFFD234 Check        
hurst05 Check        
cottlad Check        
Turn
   
  • 6
     
JEFFD234 Check        
hurst05 Bet   £7.00 £16.00 £153.32
cottlad Call   £7.00 £23.00 £92.65
JEFFD234 Fold        
River
   
  • 6
     
hurst05 Bet   £13.00 £36.00 £140.32
cottlad Raise   £37.00 £73.00 £55.65
hurst05 Fold        
cottlad Muck        
cottlad Win   £47.20   £102.85
cottlad Return   £24.00 £1.80 £126.85

Comments

  • edited January 2011

    56 of hearts? is this in his range i dunno, cos i not played him at cash.

    Don't think it is AA or KK, cos he probs bets flop.

    Its a weird one hursty!



  • edited January 2011
    Would be a brave call against me with 2pr on a paired board........ but everyone knows that right?  hehe
  • edited January 2011

    I think you're beat here.  Not sure how many times the Villain would raise on a river bluff, I doubt it'll be many TBH though I may be wrong.  Knowing me as played I might make a spewy call here so good fold IMO.

    On reflection you maybe should check call this river instead of bet fold.  The villain in question will bet a Q and J on the flop much of the time.  All you are beating by the river are pairs TT and lower (excluding 5s and 6s obv).  I don't think he's calling off a value bet on the river with those holdings so are you really expecting a bare Q or J here?  I know the other side of the argument is you're losing value by not V-Betting the river but I can't see a whole heap you're beating that will call.

  • ybyb
    edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: what the flip!?:
    Would be a brave call against me with 2pr on a paired board........ but everyone knows that right?  hehe
    Posted by cottlad
    I'd really want to fold but idk the only value hand I think you can have is 56s and not sure if that's in your range from the cut-off. Possibly 66 but theres only 1 combo of that. Think I'd probably call tbf.
  • edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: what the flip!?:
    I think you're beat here.  Not sure how many times the Villain would raise on a river bluff, I doubt it'll be many TBH though I may be wrong.  Knowing me as played I might make a spewy call here so good fold IMO. On reflection you maybe should check call this river instead of bet fold.  The villain in question will bet a Q and J on the flop much of the time.  All you are beating by the river are pairs TT and lower (excluding 5s and 6s obv).  I don't think he's calling off a value bet on the river with those holdings so are you really expecting a bare Q or J here?  I know the other side of the argument is you're losing value by not V-Betting the river but I can't see a whole heap you're beating that will call.
    Posted by TommyD
    I agree with this.

    Think your hand has turned into more of a bluff catcher by the river tbh.
  • ybyb
    edited January 2011
    Definitely bet the river, I think we have the best hand a really high % of the time and cottlad isn't betting with worse very often if at all. C/cing is probably the worst thing you can do imo.
  • edited January 2011
    He has to bet the river for value imo
  • edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: what the flip!?:
    He has to bet the river for value imo
    Posted by cottlad
    You are probably right.

    It's just I can't see what hand checks the flop but calls a river bet.


  • edited January 2011

    I don't really like the turn to bluff at because of the extra draws and 2 opponents. Cottlad will know this and so will have put you on a decent hand. I doubt he will call with a 5 or 6 here. I think he would have bet the flop if he had a jack or queen considering it was checked to him and could get called by straight draw, or weaker hand. I think he picked up the flush draw on the turn and repped the 6 on the river, considering you folded your trips and posted it on the forum.
    Just how I would think it through anyway. So I would have to check call the river or bet call as I would put him on the flush draw and the only way to get paid would be to let him bluff.

  • edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: what the flip!?:
    Would be a brave call against me with 2pr on a paired board........ but everyone knows that right?  hehe
    Posted by cottlad
    such a tease lol advertise myself as an uber nit then boom :)
  • edited January 2011
  • edited January 2011
    this hand doesnt make to much sence, i would put him on tens here and hes trying to get you to fold a jack/queen

    if he has quads good luck to him
  • edited January 2011
    sence or sense you decide :p
  • edited January 2011
    In Response to Re: what the flip!?:
    sence or sense you decide :p
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    schooled
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