Flat or raise flop

silentbob

This is from my first cash session for a while tonight.

I've got no notes on my oppo. He's been sat at the table for about 20 minutes or so & he's been very passive pre, limping into a lot of pots from any position & always limp/calling if there's been a raise. I've not seen any of his hands go to showdown as he's mostly folded post flop.

The flop comes down & whilst it's not perfect it's certainly not a disaster giving me an OESD. This is the first time I remember him leading out so I figure that there's a strong chance I'm behind here either to a bare king or 2 pair type hand. However, with the draw I actually don't feel all that bad about it.

My main question here would be is it best to flat & re-evaluate the turn or raise to try & get it all in now? At the time I thought that if I could get it all in at this point then I was fairly certain he'd call but obviously I'd need to hit.

Bearing in mind this is a cash game is that a really bad thought process?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£11.24
	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.27
	Your hole cards	J J
OPPO	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£4.30
	Fold
	Fold
silentbob	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£16.95
	Call		£0.35	£1.00	£10.89
	Fold
OPPO	Call		£0.30	£1.30	£4.00
Flop
		Q 10 K
	Check
OPPO	Bet		£0.40	£1.70	£3.60
silentbob	Flat or Raise?

DOHHHHHHH

Noooo you don't wanna be raising here.

Tbh, it's a pretty awful flop, even with the draw, you will only need 1 card to make the straight if the draw comes in, so your implied odds are terrible too.

I'd probably just call the flop, and snap fold the turn if he fires again. (unless I hit ofc)

Also if he's calling raises 100% of the time after limping, experiment with your raise sizes, trying to get as much money in pre with premium hands as you can.

CLIOKID

In Response to Re: Flat or raise flop:

Noooo you don't wanna be raising here. Tbh, it's a pretty awful flop, even with the draw, you will only need 1 card to make the straight if the draw comes in, so your implied odds are terrible too. I'd probably just call the flop, and snap fold the turn if he fires again. (unless I hit ofc) Also if he's calling raises 100% of the time after limping, experiment with your raise sizes, trying to get as much money in pre with premium hands as you can.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Pretty much all that.

And besides, he could easily have u beat and same draw as you so you'll be racing for a chop at best if he has QJ or KJ!

waynec

Your looking for an A here, a 9 could give you the idiot end, a J on the turn would be a real headache as JJ says flat and fold to another bet if no improvement.

thejudge10

oppo puts in a small bet 40p into a 1.30 pot.
 
something to be wary off,oppo flat, then called raise pre,could easily be playing,k 10,q,10,j,10,j9 kind of hands,

any ace with cards on the flop,then i think he,s raising pre.

so poss u read is right,top pair,or 2 pair.
basically u have to hit an ace.
jack could be a terrible card for you.
could give him the straight.
u have 16.95 behind,raise to maybe 1.05p
then if he calls,u have your answer,and still get to see the turn,pray for an ace.
if he re-raises you instant fold.
AT least u have asked the question,and got an answer

silentbob

Thanks peeps

I'm afraid to say that I totally butchered this hand which is why I ended up posting it here

Still, that's what this place is for & it's another lesson learned