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POKER ETIQUETTE.... WHEN IS A LINE GOING TO BE DRAWN...?
HI ALL,
I HAVEN'T DONE A POST FOR A WHILE BUT BEEN LOOKING AT THE FORUM AND THE "INTHING" AT THE MOMENT IS THE SUBJECT OF POKER ETIQUETTE, EVERYONE IS GOING ON ABOUT IT INCLUDING MYSELF... BUT SURELY THE TRUE POKER PLAYERS OUT THERE RISE ABOVE IT... THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS THAT EVERYONE IS INDIVIDUAL AND REACTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS... NOW ILL GIVE U SOME EXAMPLES WHAT CAN BE DEEMED AS ABUSIVE... FIRSTLY VERBAL... SWEARING DIRECTLY IS CLEARLY A NO NO... BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS OUT OF FRUSTRATION... NOW IF A PERSON TAKES IT DIFEERENT FROM ANOTHER HOW CAN A BOUNDARY BE ENFORCED... WHAT I MEAN IS SOMEONE MIGHT SAY "WHAT AN IDIOT CALL".. OR U "FKN MORON"... LETS NOT SIT ON THE FENCE... IT HAPPENS... IF I GET CALLED THAT I JUST BRUSH IT OFF TO ONE SIDE... BUT PEOPLE OUT THERE IM SURE ARE STRAIGHT ON TO CUSTOMER SERVICE SAYING THERE GOT CALLED A MORON ETC... THIS IS MY POINT... THERE NEEDS TO BE STRICT BOUNDARIES WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHICH ISNT.... THERFORE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT CAN B DEEMED OFFENSIVE OR NOT.... NOW IF I GET CALLED A FKN FISH.... DO I PHONE UP BECASUE HE/SHE SWORE... NO... BUT AGAIN IF IT IS REPETIVE..I MAKE A NOTE... AND IF I COME ACROSS THIS PLAYER AGAIN ILL INFORM THEM THAT THEY MAY BE POSSIBLY REPORTED...IF IT CONTINUES... THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS USE UR COMMON SENSE.... AND IF IT ANNOYS U TURN CHAT OFF..QUITE SIMPLE REALLY..
ANOTHER POINT ID LIKE TO RAISE... WAS PLAYING A CASH GAME EARLIER AND WE HAD A GOOD TABLE, PLENTY OF BANTER AND RESPECT FOR EACH OTHERS PLAY ( U KNOW WHO U R;-) THEN A MR SHORTY SAT DOWN WIV £2.. AND COMMENTED LITERALLY ON EVERY HAND... WHETHER IT WAS IN JEST OR TRUTH WHO KNOWS... I AND THE OTHER PLAYERS POLITELY ASKED HIM/HER TO REFRAIN FROM DOING THIS... BUT EVERY NOW N THEN KEPT COMMENTING... IT WAS POOR ETIQUETTE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ANNOY EVERYONE... U COULD SENSE IT... HOWEVER THEY BUST OUT PRETTY SOON... AND RELOADED AND JUST SAT THERE... NOT PLAYING...WHEN BLIND POSTING THEY CLICKED THE AWAY BUTTON, AND SAID "IM STAYING HERE TO ANNOY U... NOW WE ALL IGNORED THIS PLAYER TO START WITH BUT THERE COMES A TIME WHEN U NEED TO RESPOND,AFTER A FEW STEARN WARNINGS THEY SOON WENT.... BUT FOR A MOMENT IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING.... AND REFLECTING ON IT....U COULD SEE THAT THIS WAS JUST SOME CHAP WHO HAD TO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS... U GET THEM.... ALL IM SAYING IS YES LETS REPORT SEVERE VERBAL ABUSIVE... BUT ALSO USE SOME COMMON SENSE. CHEERS JIM.
I HAVEN'T DONE A POST FOR A WHILE BUT BEEN LOOKING AT THE FORUM AND THE "INTHING" AT THE MOMENT IS THE SUBJECT OF POKER ETIQUETTE, EVERYONE IS GOING ON ABOUT IT INCLUDING MYSELF... BUT SURELY THE TRUE POKER PLAYERS OUT THERE RISE ABOVE IT... THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS THAT EVERYONE IS INDIVIDUAL AND REACTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS... NOW ILL GIVE U SOME EXAMPLES WHAT CAN BE DEEMED AS ABUSIVE... FIRSTLY VERBAL... SWEARING DIRECTLY IS CLEARLY A NO NO... BUT SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS OUT OF FRUSTRATION... NOW IF A PERSON TAKES IT DIFEERENT FROM ANOTHER HOW CAN A BOUNDARY BE ENFORCED... WHAT I MEAN IS SOMEONE MIGHT SAY "WHAT AN IDIOT CALL".. OR U "FKN MORON"... LETS NOT SIT ON THE FENCE... IT HAPPENS... IF I GET CALLED THAT I JUST BRUSH IT OFF TO ONE SIDE... BUT PEOPLE OUT THERE IM SURE ARE STRAIGHT ON TO CUSTOMER SERVICE SAYING THERE GOT CALLED A MORON ETC... THIS IS MY POINT... THERE NEEDS TO BE STRICT BOUNDARIES WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHICH ISNT.... THERFORE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT CAN B DEEMED OFFENSIVE OR NOT.... NOW IF I GET CALLED A FKN FISH.... DO I PHONE UP BECASUE HE/SHE SWORE... NO... BUT AGAIN IF IT IS REPETIVE..I MAKE A NOTE... AND IF I COME ACROSS THIS PLAYER AGAIN ILL INFORM THEM THAT THEY MAY BE POSSIBLY REPORTED...IF IT CONTINUES... THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE IS USE UR COMMON SENSE.... AND IF IT ANNOYS U TURN CHAT OFF..QUITE SIMPLE REALLY..
ANOTHER POINT ID LIKE TO RAISE... WAS PLAYING A CASH GAME EARLIER AND WE HAD A GOOD TABLE, PLENTY OF BANTER AND RESPECT FOR EACH OTHERS PLAY ( U KNOW WHO U R;-) THEN A MR SHORTY SAT DOWN WIV £2.. AND COMMENTED LITERALLY ON EVERY HAND... WHETHER IT WAS IN JEST OR TRUTH WHO KNOWS... I AND THE OTHER PLAYERS POLITELY ASKED HIM/HER TO REFRAIN FROM DOING THIS... BUT EVERY NOW N THEN KEPT COMMENTING... IT WAS POOR ETIQUETTE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ANNOY EVERYONE... U COULD SENSE IT... HOWEVER THEY BUST OUT PRETTY SOON... AND RELOADED AND JUST SAT THERE... NOT PLAYING...WHEN BLIND POSTING THEY CLICKED THE AWAY BUTTON, AND SAID "IM STAYING HERE TO ANNOY U... NOW WE ALL IGNORED THIS PLAYER TO START WITH BUT THERE COMES A TIME WHEN U NEED TO RESPOND,AFTER A FEW STEARN WARNINGS THEY SOON WENT.... BUT FOR A MOMENT IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING.... AND REFLECTING ON IT....U COULD SEE THAT THIS WAS JUST SOME CHAP WHO HAD TO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS... U GET THEM.... ALL IM SAYING IS YES LETS REPORT SEVERE VERBAL ABUSIVE... BUT ALSO USE SOME COMMON SENSE. CHEERS JIM.
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The simple fact is that there is far less sledging on Sky than most of the major sites and long may it continue.
It certainly doesnt bother me anyway.....sticks and stones etc......but if it did I would just turn off chat.
I like getting abuse means im doing a good job.Its not the abuse that bothers me its when they say they want you to die of cancer or something thats just sick and they should be automatically chat banned
I did a thread a while back making suggestions as to what is deamed accetable and non accetable behaviour in the chat box setting out clear do,s and dont,s and what outcomes are possible, that wonderful SkyRich got back to me, he had passed my suggestions on to the powers that be and informed me that the rules were to be updated, unfortunately I have not heard any further.
Sky Rich if you read this, could you please tell me what is happening if you know of course
Many, many thanks
I also read in another thread recently that chat bans were given out on a points system. Depending on how many complaints received against an individual player and the severity of the abuse. If they go over a certain amount of points they get banned for a specific period of time. How true this is and how its enforced i have no idea. I dont know of anyone who has reported someone else, let alone someone having multiple complaints against him but then again I suppose the reporter nor the reportee would brag about such a thing.
there is no points system. our customer care team take all reports of chat abuse very seriously and will investigate each reported case (and from the facts) hand out a chat ban. the length of which will depend on the severity of the abuse.
the 4 levels of ban are 1 month, 3 months, 6 months or life.
thanks,
Rich
I thought a points sytem would be difficicult to regulate and like i said i have never heard of multiple complaints against anyone.
I totally agree with the mainstream sentiments here, and Jimbo, I kind of agree with your post... by the way, typing in CAPS ALL THE TIME looks like you're shouting, and I might find that abusive and have to report you to Sky Support (for the avoidance of doubt, I am KIDDING!!!).
Sorry, I digressed... Back to the point.
The reason I say that I kind of agree with your post Jimbo, is because you seem to be making a case for allowing some vitriol... Just not too much. And that's the part that:
1. I don't agree with
2. I don't think you can enforce.
Why? Because it means drawing up a rule book that states: “You can by all means call a player a MORON for raising your pocket aces, and winning with 4,5 off suit, but you can't call them a FKN MORON”. That rule book could end up getting pretty weighty, and I sincerely doubt anyone would read it.
My belief, is that you can dispense with rules and 'drawing lines' of acceptable behaviour, purely by asking one simple question before you let the insults fly. That question is: “If I were at a live tournament, playing six handed, would I call someone that I didn't know, 'A Moron?'”
My guess is that you wouldn't. My advice is, that you shouldn't. Ever. There's just no need for it.
In your second paragraph, you start by alluding to people who know each other (and understand each other's humour), getting involved in banter. Not only is that fine, but I believe it's one of the most enjoyable elements of the game. But if you've got people at the table who don't know you; who don't know that you're joking; and who may be put off; offended or intimidated by those antics and choice of language, then that too, is out of order. They've paid their money, just like everyone else, and are perfectly entitled to a good time.
It's about respect and consideration, that's all. Ultimately, it just comes down to common sense. Unfortunately, some people don't use common sense, and shoot from the lip too quickly.
In summary, does a line need to be drawn? Yes. But all you need to do, is stop to consider how those around you will react to your comments, before dishing out the chat.
Now... who wants a big, squashy cuddle?
ok i have done some digging around and found an outline for the rules of poker table chat. this is still a working document and it is pretty brief, however i dont think this has to be a longwinded thing and the rules are pretty clear from the outset as to what is acceptable.
Chat Abuse on the Poker Tables: A player will have their chat privileges removed if they commit one or more of the following offences: Chatting in languages other than English at the tablesUsing abusive language at the tables (abusing other players)Discussing hands at the tables depending on the severity or....
1st Offence = 1 month chat ban2nd Offence = 2 months chat ban3rd Offence = Permanent chat ban
however it will also be the discretion of the customer care team to hand out bans that don't always fit within these guidelines - depending on the severity of the case (e.g. 6 months.)
Thank you for that, think it makes it all clear.
Lets hope it doesnt have to be used, but I doubt it sigh
Take care m8 and thanks again
MUCH APPRECIATED RICH... THANKS FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE...;-)
Therefore sky poker because it has its own site and unique community spirit should be a little harder than other sites on this matter.
When i play elsewhere i multi table and turn my chat off so i don't get distracted but here i'd be loathed to do that because the poker is more for fun
Its actually physically a lot harder to swear online because you can't just say it so therefore becomes a more concious act therefore more serious.
Its all a matter of self control and those who cannot execute self control probably don't have the discipline to play poker anyway.