Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??

WHOAMI196

Right i was playing a live home cash game and an argument occured over the min betting pattern....so to give you an example, say its three way to a flop, P1(player1) P2 (player) and P3. So if P1 leads out with a £2 bet and gets min raised to £4 ...How mutch is the minimum P3 is allowed to raise £6 (like on sky re-raisng the original raiser) or to £8 (as argued  in my home game and a few casinos iv been to, raising the previous bet)

Hope above is clear and you can understand what im asking lol So what is the official minimum raise P3  can make??

SHANXTA

£6

beaneh

'raising the previous bet'

the bets are 

2

then he 'raises 2' to 4.

then you can 'raise greater than or equal to the last raise so 2+' to 6 or more. 

SolarCarro

At Alea Leeds

If bet = 2 and raise = 4 then re-raise must equal 8 or more so if reraise was 10 then any further raise must be 20

Local cardroom rules though

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

At Alea Leeds If bet = 2 and raise = 4 then re-raise must equal 8 or more so if reraise was 10 then any further raise must be 20 Local cardroom rules though
Posted by SolarCarro

WTF????!!!!!

beaneh

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

At Alea Leeds If bet = 2 and raise = 4 then re-raise must equal 8 or more so if reraise was 10 then any further raise must be 20 Local cardroom rules though
Posted by SolarCarro

that just means they probably have other terrible rules and aren't very competent.

SolarCarro

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:
In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : WTF????!!!!!
Posted by SHANXTA

At any live game I have played the min raise is twice the biggest bet

So in example above the min he can bet is 8 hence the argument!

SolarCarro

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : that just means they probably have other terrible rules and aren't very competent.
Posted by beaneh

Its the same rule at Dusk till Dawn!

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : At any live game I have played the min raise is twice the biggest bet So in example above the min he can bet is 8 hence the argument!
Posted by SolarCarro

one of the dealers at are local G tried enforcing this rule a few weeks back, he was quickly corrected

SolarCarro

Corrected by players or by tournament director?

Pretty sure Grosvenor rules are standard and the home of SPT Leeds Grosvenor Merrion has the rule as I state it.

SolarCarro

SOURCE - Dusk till Dawn Tournament Rules

Item 26

1. Raises- There is no cap on the number of raises in no-limit games. A raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. In limit events there will be a limit to raises even when heads-up until the tournament is down to two players; the house limit will apply.

To me that is really ambiguous and I can see why both "rules" are adopted what one casino says is correct is not always followed at the others

GREGHOGG

Why would anyone want/need to do a silly min click back like that anyway! If your gonna reraise, reraise properly imo!!

BlackFish3

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

SOURCE - Dusk till Dawn Tournament Rules Item 26 Raises- There is no cap on the number of raises in no-limit games. A raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. In limit events there will be a limit to raises even when heads-up until the tournament is down to two players; the house limit will apply. To me that is really ambiguous and I can see why both "rules" are adopted what one casino says is correct is not always followed at the others
Posted by SolarCarro

I don't think that is ambiguous. It says the previous raise not the initial raise. So it would be 8 in the OPs case if played at Dusk till Dawn.

RedHouse

This is how I have always understood it:

Lets say the blinds were 10/20 and the first raiser made it 100 to go. If someone wanted to re-raise, the minimum he'd have to make it would be 180 (20+80+80). I.e the min raise is to raise by 80, the bet size is 180.

Make sense?

The min raise is to increase the bet by the same value of the previous increase to the bet.

In the OP the six is correct for the bet total following the min re-raise.

I think people get confused because of how they are declared. You say raise and then actually state what you are making the new bet size, not the value of your raise (the increase).

NoseyBonk

One of the big TV tournaments shown recently (Poker Million I think) had the rule where the min re-raise had to be at least that of the previous total bet (5/10 so 20 -> 40 -> 80 for example).

On here the min re-raise has to be at least that of the previous raise excluding the call part of the total bet (5/10 so 20 - /> 30 -> 40 for example).

Never played live so not sure what the norm is.

 

SHANXTA

Corrected by players (it was a cash game)

I don't think the rule at DTD is ambiguous, to me it seems to agree with what i think - it doesn't say you have to double the amount put in, just at least the size of the previous raise

SolarCarro

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

Corrected by players (it was a cash game) I don't think the rule at DTD is ambiguous, to me it seems to agree with what i think - it doesn't say you have to double the amount put in, just at least the size of the previous raise
Posted by SHANXTA

It is ambiguous because I agree with what you just said

But the rule at DTD is double the previous bet size (ie the call + raise) as it happened on my table in the SPT Final (200BB raised to 400, next player tried to make it 600 and was told it had to be 800 or over)

waynec

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : It is ambiguous because I agree with what you just said But the rule at DTD is double the previous bet size (ie the call + raise) as it happened on my table in the SPT Final (200BB raised to 400, next player tried to make it 600 and was told it had to be 800 or over)
Posted by SolarCarro

Solar you are right! +1

LOL_RAISE

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : It is ambiguous because I agree with what you just said But the rule at DTD is double the previous bet size (ie the call + raise) as it happened on my table in the SPT Final (200BB raised to 400, next player tried to make it 600 and was told it had to be 800 or over)
Posted by SolarCarro

whenever ive  played at DTD (probably 50times or there abouts) it has been the normal rule of double the previous raise ( 2- />4->6)  however for the weekend festivals they normally hire out extra dealers and some of them might come from different casinos where they just double the previous bet, or they are just special in the head

beaneh

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one?? : whenever ive  played at DTD (probably 50times or there abouts) it has been the normal rule of double the previous raise ( 2- />4- />6)  however for the weekend festivals they normally hire out extra dealers and some of them might come from different casinos where they just double the previous bet, or they are just special in the head
Posted by LOL_RAISE

THIS blame blow ins, 

if you raise 2 I can raise 2 or more. simples.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Official rule of raising in NL Holdem.......um is there one??:

At Alea Leeds If bet = 2 and raise = 4 then re-raise must equal 8 or more so if reraise was 10 then any further raise must be 20 Local cardroom rules though
Posted by SolarCarro

Are you sure thats right Dave?  I know when I'm dealt there I've had the raise as much as the previous raise.  ie BB was 200 raised to 650 and next raise was to 1100.  I had to stop and do the maths to check but no one at the table objected.