want opinions of how to play each stage after flop - NL4

tapeworm

will add each subsecuent section after people submit there thoughts, good hand......i think anyway. I think I play it well, but want to see what others would do.

Oh and obv feel free to say if would have done anything different pre - im not used to playing 3 handed so not sure should of raised.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.00
devonfish5	Sit out
	Your hole cards	4 5
A	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£4.85
S	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£3.41
tapeworm	Check
Flop
		8 A 7
tapeworm	??

thejudge10

raise pre,as u have a chance to take it down there,if u miss the flop,and some 1 leads out you have to fold.

After the flop,i would bet 3\4 pot,looks like your trying to stop straight,flush draw.so opponents might put u on the ace.now if re raised id shove.Now opponent might be re raising with a draw,so when u shove,makes his descision hard to make.If he has an ace,still a hard call to make as its such a draw heavy board.

Dont know if this is right but its the way i,d play it.

DOHHHHHHH

Bet the pot.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: want opinions of how to play each stage after flop - NL4:

Bet the pot.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

i probably go for an overbet on the flop at this level. Youver said it youself they love to call.

DOHHHHHHH

We want them all to call or all to fold, with the equity we have in the hand.

We're trying to pot build.

tapeworm

Ok so general feeling is bet....which I did - although by the sounds of it much too small....what now?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.00
devonfish5	Sit out
	Your hole cards	4 5
A	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£4.85
S	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£3.41
tapeworm	Check
Flop
		8 A 7
tapeworm	Bet		£0.06	£0.18	£3.94
A	Fold
S	Call		£0.06	£0.24	£3.35
Turn
		6
tapeworm	??

LOL_RAISE

keep betting very big

walesboy

depending on your opponent I'd

bet 3/4 or pot, or
check raise

DOHHHHHHH

Bet the pot.

YOUNG_GUN

pot

tapeworm

I decided to over bet here as this is what I have started to do ay NL4 with strong holdings. I am likely to be called here with any Ace (they dont look at the bet in relation to the pot - just the bet amount itself), two pair or set.

I have noticed that since i usually get called I make a profit quicker

Then he min raises my over bet. What would you do, and what do you now have him on - I had him on either air or a set (both popular tactics here for a min bet).

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.00
devonfish5	Sit out
	Your hole cards	4 5
A	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£4.85
S	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£3.41
tapeworm	Check
Flop
		8 A 7
tapeworm	Bet		£0.06	£0.18	£3.94
A	Fold
S	Call		£0.06	£0.24	£3.35
Turn
		6
tapeworm	Bet		£0.32	£0.56	£3.62
S	Raise		£0.64	£1.20	£2.71

The_Don90

we only have the mugs end straight but can add a flush draw, even at this level a min raise screems of strenth. Id just get to showdown now unless river is a diamond.

DOHHHHHHH

Go all in.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: want opinions of how to play each stage after flop - NL4:

Go all in.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

really?

i know where your comming from mate, however i just think out opponents showed huge strenth.

offshoot

we have the 2nd nuts plus a draw to what would definitely be the best hand, not really a time for pot control.

DOHHHHHHH

It's not even close, if we knew he was going to call, we go all in..........

Maybe we lose value just shoving I dunno, maybe some sort of pot committing raise would be better at this level.

As for proceeding with caution from this stage on, I really really don't understand that mind-set....If that's what you would do it's a massive mistake.

Think about his value range here.....

The mind-set of a nl4 player, "what does he think is the nuts here?"

A8, A7, A6, 78, 76, 45, 59, 9T, 66, 77, 88, AA, AK, AQ, (possibly every other Ax hand)

You have the above range crushed, and the 2 hands that crush us, we have the re-draw to 9 outs.

Don't ever pot control/look for showdown here, do anything and everything you can to get him to commit the rest of his money !!!!!!!!!!

The_Don90

In Response to Re: want opinions of how to play each stage after flop - NL4:

we have the 2nd nuts plus a draw to what would definitely be the best hand, not really a time for pot control.
Posted by offshoot

3rd to nuts, and usually id agree with both you and DOHHHHHH but this min raise at this level stinks of a huge made hand.

DOHHHHHHH

But in the mind of a NL4 player, A8, A7, A6, 78, 76, 45, 59, 9T, 66, 77, 88, AA, AK, AQ, are all "huge made hands and worthy of showing massive strength"

Him showing huge strength is perfect for us.

pod1

must agree with dohhh here, its all to do with the mind set of the player and what he believes is strong. dont think you are going to lose any value in shoving, hes going to call!

tapeworm

So heres the hand in full.

I went for the pot commital raise, he shoves, i obviously call. He has 9,10 off completing a higher straight.

Im sure despite losing this hand, this was the right play in the long run. As Dohhh says i was crushing alot of a nl4 players range. Was positive it was a set due to limp pre once he shoved. Well there you go.....shows what thought does lol!!

Thought it was an interesting hand for debate though. thanks for everyones input.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.00
devonfish5	Sit out
	Your hole cards	4 5
A	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£4.85
S	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£3.41
tapeworm	Check
Flop
		8 A 7
tapeworm	Bet		£0.06	£0.18	£3.94
A	Fold
S	Call		£0.06	£0.24	£3.35
Turn
		6
tapeworm	Bet		£0.32	£0.56	£3.62
S	Raise		£0.64	£1.20	£2.71
tapeworm	Raise		£1.84	£3.04	£1.78
S	All-in		£2.71	£5.75	£0.00
tapeworm	Call		£1.19	£6.94	£0.59
tapeworm	Show	4 5
S	Show	10 9
River
		5
S	Win	Straight to the 10	£6.41

DOHHHHHHH

Don't do anything any different next time, apart from maybe get there on the river. lol.

UL, wp.

The_Don90

gota say it - TOLD YOU SOOOO.