Just a fat Annete Obrestad

Wilhelm

This is every hand where I voluntarily put money into the pot in a tournament.  I didn't look at my cards throughout.  Am I trying too hard to push people off their hands in some spots.  Should I just give up after one or two barells in some of these hands?  Odd question and I'm sure I'll get slated but thanks in advance.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
whippet1	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1930.00
markdmanc	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1725.00
	Your hole cards	7 4
swiper83	Fold
Serge77	Call		20.00	50.00	2540.00
Wilhelm	Raise		80.00	130.00	1890.00
pok3rman	Call		80.00	210.00	1715.00
whippet1	Call		70.00	280.00	1860.00
markdmanc	Call		60.00	340.00	1665.00
Serge77	Call		60.00	400.00	2480.00
Flop
		Q 9 6
whippet1	Bet		200.00	600.00	1660.00
markdmanc	Fold
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Fold
pok3rman	Fold
whippet1	Muck
whippet1	Win		400.00		2060.00
whippet1	Return		200.00	0.00	2260.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Serge77	Small blind		10.00	10.00	2710.00
Wilhelm	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1870.00
	Your hole cards	6 J
pok3rman	Fold
whippet1	Call		20.00	50.00	2200.00
markdmanc	Call		20.00	70.00	1305.00
Serge77	Call		10.00	80.00	2700.00
Wilhelm	Check
Flop
		A Q 10
Serge77	Check
Wilhelm	Check
whippet1	Bet		20.00	100.00	2180.00
markdmanc	Fold
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Raise		100.00	200.00	1770.00
whippet1	Call		80.00	280.00	2100.00
Turn
		K
Wilhelm	Bet		150.00	430.00	1620.00
whippet1	Call		150.00	580.00	1950.00
River
		6
Wilhelm	Bet		400.00	980.00	1220.00
whippet1	Fold
Wilhelm	Muck
Wilhelm	Win		580.00		1800.00
Wilhelm	Return		400.00	0.00	2200.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pok3rman	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1485.00
whippet1	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1910.00
	Your hole cards	6 A
markdmanc	Fold
Serge77	Call		20.00	50.00	2730.00
Wilhelm	Raise		80.00	130.00	2110.00
pok3rman	Call		70.00	200.00	1415.00
whippet1	Fold
Serge77	Fold
Flop
		8 6 10
pok3rman	Check
Wilhelm	Bet		130.00	330.00	1980.00
pok3rman	Fold
Wilhelm	Muck
Wilhelm	Win		200.00		2180.00
Wilhelm	Return		130.00	0.00	2310.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pok3rman	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2610.00
whippet1	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3285.00
	Your hole cards	A 9
baker43	Call		30.00	75.00	1275.00
Serge77	Call		30.00	105.00	2740.00
Wilhelm	Raise		150.00	255.00	2115.00
pok3rman	Fold
whippet1	Fold
baker43	Call		120.00	375.00	1155.00
Serge77	Call		120.00	495.00	2620.00
Flop
		5 6 4
baker43	Bet		495.00	990.00	660.00
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Fold
baker43	Muck
baker43	Win		495.00		1155.00
baker43	Return		495.00	0.00	1650.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pok3rman	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2790.00
whippet1	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3180.00
	Your hole cards	Q J
baker43	Call		30.00	75.00	1440.00
Serge77	Call		30.00	105.00	2695.00
Wilhelm	Raise		150.00	255.00	1920.00
pok3rman	Call		135.00	390.00	2655.00
whippet1	Fold
baker43	Call		120.00	510.00	1320.00
Serge77	Call		120.00	630.00	2575.00
Flop
		J 5 K
pok3rman	Bet		690.00	1320.00	1965.00
baker43	Fold
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Fold
pok3rman	Muck
pok3rman	Win		630.00		2595.00
pok3rman	Return		690.00	0.00	3285.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
whippet1	Small blind		15.00	15.00	3165.00
baker43	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1290.00
	Your hole cards	6 2
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Raise		90.00	135.00	1830.00
pok3rman	Fold
whippet1	Call		75.00	210.00	3090.00
baker43	Call		60.00	270.00	1230.00
Flop
		9 A 3
whippet1	Bet		135.00	405.00	2955.00
baker43	Fold
Wilhelm	Call		135.00	540.00	1695.00
Turn
		4
whippet1	Check
Wilhelm	Bet		300.00	840.00	1395.00
whippet1	Call		300.00	1140.00	2655.00
River
		6
whippet1	Check
Wilhelm	Bet		650.00	1790.00	745.00
whippet1	Call		650.00	2440.00	2005.00
Wilhelm	Show	6 2
whippet1	Show	8 A
whippet1	Win	Pair of Aces	2440.00		4445.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Serge77	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2530.00
Wilhelm	Big blind		30.00	45.00	715.00
	Your hole cards	8 6
pok3rman	Raise		60.00	105.00	3270.00
whippet1	Call		60.00	165.00	4385.00
baker43	Call		60.00	225.00	1155.00
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	All-in		715.00	940.00	0.00
pok3rman	Fold
whippet1	Call		685.00	1625.00	3700.00
baker43	Fold
Wilhelm	Show	8 6
whippet1	Show	K J
Flop
		5 8 A
Turn
		4
River
		10
Wilhelm	Win	Pair of 8s	1625.00		1625.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pok3rman	Small blind		15.00	15.00	3277.50
whippet1	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3692.50
	Your hole cards	7 9
baker43	Fold
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Raise		90.00	135.00	1520.00
pok3rman	Call		75.00	210.00	3202.50
whippet1	Fold
Flop
		Q J 4
pok3rman	Bet		120.00	330.00	3082.50
Wilhelm	Call		120.00	450.00	1400.00
Turn
		6
pok3rman	Bet		30.00	480.00	3052.50
Wilhelm	Raise		300.00	780.00	1100.00
pok3rman	Call		270.00	1050.00	2782.50
River
		K
pok3rman	Check
Wilhelm	All-in		1100.00	2150.00	0.00
pok3rman	Fold
Wilhelm	Muck
Wilhelm	Win		1050.00		1050.00
Wilhelm	Return		1100.00	0.00	2150.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pok3rman	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2377.50
whippet1	Big blind		50.00	75.00	4880.00
	Your hole cards	10 J
heartsmart	Call		50.00	125.00	2437.50
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Raise		175.00	300.00	1900.00
pok3rman	Call		150.00	450.00	2227.50
whippet1	Fold
heartsmart	Call		125.00	575.00	2312.50
Flop
		8 7 A
pok3rman	Check
heartsmart	Check
Wilhelm	Bet		300.00	875.00	1600.00
pok3rman	Fold
heartsmart	Fold
Wilhelm	Muck
Wilhelm	Win		575.00		2175.00
Wilhelm	Return		300.00	0.00	2475.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
whippet1	Small blind		25.00	25.00	4855.00
heartsmart	Big blind		50.00	75.00	2262.50
	Your hole cards	K K
Serge77	Fold
Wilhelm	Fold

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donkeyplop

Nice fold with the kings, they are overated anyway..............

YOUNG_GUN

lol may help if you play fewer pots, i may give this a go sometime

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Just a fat Annete Obrestad:

lol may help if you play fewer pots, i may give this a go sometime
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

I was playing every button and not much else.  What would you suggest?  Every other button?

DOHHHHHHH

The whole point of doing something like this is to get reads on players.

You'll need to post information about the players opening frequencies, hands they showed down previously, betting patterns, what types of flops they cbet etc etc etc.......

Then maybe there will be some things to discuss/debate.....

YOUNG_GUN

willhelm what i meant is it looked like you are just betting a certain amount of times. where as i think the whole point of this is to use position & reads

so unopened raises from button or CO, if sb or bb give up easy. if not might aswell limp and try to outplay post flop. i do like the idea just seems like you played too many pots, open your usual 15% pre flop and then if your opponent shows weakness or specific tells you can use, as basically you want them to fold every hand

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Just a fat Annete Obrestad:

The whole point of doing something like this is to get reads on players. You'll need to post information about the players opening frequencies, hands they showed down previously, betting patterns, what types of flops they cbet etc etc etc....... Then maybe there will be some things to discuss/debate.....
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Opening frequencies: I think there were like three pots when somebody other than me opened the pot and it was always a min raise. 

Hands they showed down previously:  All sorts from everyone.  Pretty much any ace, any suited cards any slightly connecting cards from eveyone at the first table.  I didn't see much on the second table.

Betting patterns:  This is obv. vry general but the smaller bets have been weak and pot bets are always a sign of strength. TBF not many hands have gone to showdown.  Serge and Markdmanc don't usually make any bets; prefer to check-call.  pokerman, whippet and the other one seem to be betting their hands for value and not much else.  Not sure if anyone is betting their draws, although i would have to assume so from the folds i got.

Flops they c-bet: N/A

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Just a fat Annete Obrestad:

willhelm what i meant is it looked like you are just betting a certain amount of times. where as i think the whole point of this is to use position & reads so unopened raises from button or CO, if sb or bb give up easy. if not might aswell limp and try to outplay post flop. i do like the idea just seems like you played too many pots, open your usual 15% pre flop and then if your opponent shows weakness or specific tells you can use, as basically you want them to fold every hand
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

The problem I was finding was that when I was on the button or C/O there would have already been at least one limp and the two on my left were serial blind defenders.  I worked out that I prob opened about 16.66667% of pots.

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Just a fat Annete Obrestad:

In Response to Re: Just a fat Annete Obrestad : The problem I was finding was that when I was on the button or C/O there would have already been at least one limp and the two on my left were serial blind defenders.  I worked out that I prob opened about 16.66667% of pots.
Posted by Wilhelm

Actually prob more like 19% because we we 5-handed for quite a bit early doors.