Fed up of getting turned over by a player who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky

Jimbobadob

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance Small blind 200.00200.004975.00 Big blind 400.00600.0013103.50 Your hole cardsQQ    Fold     Fold     Call 400.001000.001287.50JimbobadobAll-in 1602.502602.500.00 Fold     Call 1202.503805.0011901.00 Call 1202.505007.5085.00Flop  277    Bet 400.005407.5011501.00 All-in 85.005492.500.00 Unmatched bet 315.005177.5011816.00 Show74    Show109   JimbobadobShowQQ   Turn  J   River  J    WinFull House, 7s and Jacks5177.50 16993.50

I know this happens in poker but every time im short some idiot with a few chips plays the hand because he thinks it all about luck. i wouldnt mind but he did this about 3 times and got lucky.
Rant over - still on tilt though

Hey

I have had to edit this post, please do not leave names in on posts of this kind

Thank you for your understanding

Sky Mod

DOHHHHHHH

How/why did you let yourself get "so" short...?

Jimbobadob

Poor cards in good spots and rubbish flops when i did myself in to a few hands

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh problem is, people don't like folding.

So when you get so short, and it's not costing them much to see a flop - they will keep calling, coz your stack cant hurt them.

It's a better idea to shove with TJ suited on the button, for 11 big blinds than it is to wait for QQ and shove 4 big blinds......

You've got to try and stay ahead of the game, stealing blinds, then hoping you hold when you get your big hand confrontations, or coin flips, you get abit of luck to go really deep.

The only way you should ever end up this short stacked is if the previous couple of hands you lost a big all in.

unknown_username

 I dont like the title of your thread it made me feel paraniod!

Jimbobadob

i did lose a couple of hefty hands i bit before that, but jt on the button would have been nice - with hands like 5,2 8,3 ect ect its hard to get any momentum going, as for stealing the blinds this dohnut was calling with any 2 and hitting 90% of the time. i think i was the 3rd person he knocked out with trash hands

Jimbobadob

sorry donut64 no offence to you, but this guy was a real dohnut, plus it was the 1st word that came to mind instead of something that was not printable

unknown_username

 Thats ok! But what you have got to remember us Donuts are really sweet even if we tend to be a little jammy sometimes!

GaryQQQ

When you have only 2.5BB and shove you're getting called by any 2 cards.

IRISHROVER

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

 Thats ok! But what you have got to remember us Donuts are really sweet even if we tend to be a little jammy sometimes!
Posted by Donut64

pmsl !

MAXALLY

Only one thing worse than jammy dohnuts on this site.......

Bury fans posting on here )))))

To Jimbob - like others have said, it is just a cooler and given the chip stacks, an auto play. Reverse the situation and ask what you would do and I guess you would call as well. The moral of the story is to build a monster stack up and then you can have the luxury of wiping out the small stacks with any two!!

Good luck at the tables.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

Only one thing worse than jammy dohnuts on this site....... Bury fans posting on here ))))) To Jimbob - like others have said, it is just a cooler and given the chip stacks, an auto play. Reverse the situation and ask what you would do and I guess you would call as well. The moral of the story is to build a monster stack up and then you can have the luxury of wiping out the small stacks with any two!! Good luck at the tables.
Posted by MAXALLY

    :P

Jimbobadob

Maybe thats a flaw in my game because im not wasting 10% to 20% of my stack against an all holding 7 4 off.

if i had two connectors or any akq in my hand then yes its a simple call but with 7 4 off he is only a 14% dog to win the hand

GaryQQQ

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

It's a better idea to shove with TJ suited on the button, for 11 big blinds than it is to wait for QQ and shove 4 big blinds Posted by DOHHHHHHH

This might be Area 51, but DOHHHHHHH is giving you valuable strategy advice here.

The proof is in the pudding. The hand below was played out in the last half an hour close to the bubble of a micro stakes (£1+10p MTT), I think there were 12 remaining with 10 to be paid. If folded to me I would have shoved any 2 cards in this spot. Pay attention to my hole cards, the stack sizes of those involved, and everybodys final finishing positions;

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
yaxley	Small blind		1000.00	1000.00	17075.00
hector45	Big blind		2000.00	3000.00	19215.00
	Your hole cards	10 J
snorky	Fold
GRANNYMAC	Fold
RegH	Fold
GaryQQQ	All-in		12020.00	15020.00	0.00
yaxley	Fold
hector45	Fold
GaryQQQ	Muck
GaryQQQ	Win		5000.00		5000.00
GaryQQQ	Return		10020.00	0.00	15020.00

osulliva103050001£41.16 + 15 League PointsGaryQQQ02£24.99 + 12 League Pointssubtend03£17.64 + 10 League Pointsyaxley04£14.70 + 8 League PointsRegH05£11.76 + 6 League Pointssnorky06£10.29 + 4 League Pointsaaaccceee07£8.82 + 3 League PointsFORTCH1708£7.35 + 2 League Pointsseaford209£5.88hector45010£4.41GRANNYMAC011

djblacke04

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

Yeh problem is, people don't like folding. So when you get so short, and it's not costing them much to see a flop - they will keep calling, coz your stack cant hurt them. It's a better idea to shove with TJ suited on the button, for 11 big blinds than it is to wait for QQ and shove 4 big blinds...... You've got to try and stay ahead of the game, stealing blinds, then hoping you hold when you get your big hand confrontations, or coin flips, you get abit of luck to go really deep. The only way you should ever end up this short stacked is if the previous couple of hands you lost a big all in.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

maybe 10 bb....

djblacke04

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky : This might be Area 51, but DOHHHHHHH is giving you valuable strategy advice here. The proof is in the pudding. The hand below was played out in the last half an hour close to the bubble of a micro stakes (£1+10p MTT), I think there were 12 remaining with 10 to be paid. If folded to me I would have shoved any 2 cards in this spot. Pay attention to my hole cards, the stack sizes of those involved, and everybodys final finishing positions; Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance yaxley Small blind   1000.00 1000.00 17075.00 hector45 Big blind   2000.00 3000.00 19215.00   Your hole cards 10 J       snorky Fold         GRANNYMAC Fold         RegH Fold         GaryQQQ All-in   12020.00 15020.00 0.00 yaxley Fold         hector45 Fold         GaryQQQ Muck         GaryQQQ Win   5000.00   5000.00 GaryQQQ Return   10020.00 0.00 15020.00 osulliva10 305000 1 £41.16 + 15 League Points GaryQQQ 0 2 £24.99 + 12 League Points subtend 0 3 £17.64 + 10 League Points yaxley 0 4 £14.70 + 8 League Points RegH 0 5 £11.76 + 6 League Points snorky 0 6 £10.29 + 4 League Points aaaccceee 0 7 £8.82 + 3 League Points FORTCH17 0 8 £7.35 + 2 League Points seaford2 0 9 £5.88 hector45 0 10 £4.41 GRANNYMAC 0 11
Posted by GaryQQQ

so shoving with 6bb with j10 is better than 4 bb with qq?

YOUNG_GUN

Yep, the more bb the greater chance your opponent will fold out hands

the suggested amount you should be shoving so you dont lose f/e 15-10bb's

reason is say you get QQ you double up your still in danger zone, also if called although likely ahead more chance someone will call you with Ax or Kx, hence why better to be shoving J10 with more big blinds as you will get more hands to be folded out even just take the blinds. if called your not in worst shape unless unlucky and someone wakes up with Aces but then your still not drawing dead

GaryQQQ

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a dohnut who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky : so shoving with 6bb with j10 is better than 4 bb with qq?
Posted by djblacke04

Jim shoved his QQ with 2.6BB. Yes, shoving JT with 6BB is better than shoving QQ with 2.6BB.

Jimbobadob

Everyone keeps banging on about shoving with jt on the button. The fact is i never had jt on the button with 10 big blinds left, so are you shoving on the button with say 53off or 82 off because these were the sort of hands i was getting ( bearing in mind that the dohnut in question would have been in the big blind position wien i was on the button and he made the stupid call with dross twice before against not so short stacks and came out very lucky on both occasions).

GaryQQQ

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a player who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

Everyone keeps banging on about shoving with jt on the button. The fact is i never had jt on the button with 10 big blinds left, so are you shoving on the button with say 53off or 82 off because these were the sort of hands i was getting ( bearing in mind that the dohnut in question would have been in the big blind position wien i was on the button and he made the stupid call with dross twice before against not so short stacks and came out very lucky on both occasions).
Posted by Jimbobadob

Yes, they folded, I could have had 53o as far as they knew, in fact I would have shoved 53o with 6BB on the button, if called you have good equity against anything except an overpair. This is a +ev shove with any 2 cards.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a player who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky:

In Response to Re: Fed up of getting turned over by a player who plays a hand because he thinks he is lucky : Yes, they folded, I could have had 53o as far as they knew, in fact I would have shoved 53o with 6BB on the button, if called you have good equity against anything except an overpair. This is a +ev shove with any 2 cards.
Posted by GaryQQQ

+1 i know a number of people who will shove on the buton with 72+ with 12BB or less