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PLO Live cash hand - was I right?
Blinds .5/1 8 handed i have £160. My hand 10h10s5h3c. I am in cut off. Pre limps round to me so I call. button makes it 4 to go, 5 callers incl. me. Flop 10cahqh. sb pots to 24 fold to me.........
villian is fairly active and has a wide range - often takes the lead in pots.
1. should I be calling pre?
2. what action should I take now?
3. how many outs do I have?
please discuss I will post results later
Comments
As played I'd snap fold that board I think, you *might* have a live draw with the flush, but if he hasn't got broadway there I'm very, very surprised. You're drawing to flush (which might well not be good, he could easily be drawing to the J or K high flush too) or the house (pretty thin).
I could understand if you called, but if the players are any good- they'll shut up shop the second the board pairs, so you won't get any more, and if it doesn't- you're just throwing money away chasing. If you jam over the top of him, you're just going into a race in which you're always behind.
I think the big decision is preflop- there's much better hands to get involved with, I'd fold that in a blink. Only hands I'd play which aren't double suited would be AA/KK (perhaps) and multiple straightening cards (5678 etc). On that board, you have 7 outs IMO, and he may easily be holding some of them.
As a result of your call pre you've given us a massive headache. We have bottom set and a middle flush draw on a very textured board. You say this player is active, but is he any good at PLO? Is he more likely to be leading because he has a massive combo draw, the nut straight or top two thinking it's hold 'em? Will he think a 9 high flush is good in a multi-way pot? The problem is we don't know what we are looking for. There's a decent chance KJ is out there somewhere, as well as the NFD. The button and preflop raiser is behind you so an over set, especially on an Ace high board, could well be there. I hate our spot and I think this is a fold. There's a temptation to call looking to reassess the turn but this probably is a leak. The only doubt in my mind that you should call is that the general standard of PLO live at this level is so bad you might be good but that just might be leveling myself into it.
In terms of outs, you have exactly one I would be happy to see. The rest all just add even more grey hairs to my head.
The flop is probably about as bad as it can be for your hand because you have enough of it to make you think you are in a good situation but it means you could easily be drawing dead to a 1 outer at this point.The only partial saving grace about your hand is the presence of the 10h in your hand which makes your quads redraw live. Even if the person leading out is a serial bluffer and is very active with marginal to bad hands then i still can not justify calling this flop especially with the original raiser still to act because we could easily be asked for our entire stack on this flop and i am personally not prepared to get it all in on that board with bottom set and the third nut flush draw because i know that there will be much better opportunities arriving later.
The hand that jumps out to me on that board is Ax Ax Kh Jh.This hand has the nuts and all the redraws and is only possible to lose on that board with someone redrawing to quads.Obviously it does not mean that this hand is out there but it should be in the back of your mind that it is possible.
So for me i agree with the others and snapfold and wait for a better opportunity because you only have a minimal amount invested and there is no reason to go all the way with this hand.
I'm not a fan of this hand at all and multi-handed it's going to kill you so many times.
The flop is exactly the kind of flop you don't want to see as the likely result of all those limpers is multi high cards. Although to be fair there's a strong chance that people have limped with middle pairs, or middle connectors if it's a really loose game.
That said you seemed to have a pretty good read on the table so it's not as bad as it may at first seem. Even the post flop is ok-ish if you're there to show the guy he can't bully you and you have the 16 outs, plus a further 3 on the river.