is this too much?

spornybol

I'd probably shove instead, only if you have no evidence that anyone has limped with a monster before

I'm happy to take whats in there, also if called should be a favourate for the hand

spornybol

this is a £1.15 dym with so many limper was my bet too much or should it be smaller, if so how much shoul i bet ? edit hand id if needed 337230021

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mrsweird	Small blind		75.00	75.00	2235.00
trap2line	Big blind		150.00	225.00	500.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
SUNBEAM	Call		150.00	375.00	3113.75
MOGGIEMAG	Call		150.00	525.00	1865.00
scorpio13	Call		150.00	675.00	1605.00
spornybol	Raise		750.00	1425.00	1256.25

tapeworm

Im with Young gun here on the shove.....for the reason he said above, and also for an effective raise here we need to be doing at least 3 BB + 1 more for each limper (so actually raise is a little light) - this would pot commit you anyway.

so its a shove or fold.....being its a DYM is there a case for a fold here?

*awaits Dohhhh to tell him off for such thoughts*

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: is this too much?:

Im with Young gun here on the shove.....for the reason he said above, and also for an effective raise here we need to be doing at least 3 BB + 1 more for each limper (so actually raise is a little light) - this would pot commit you anyway. so its a shove or fold.....being its a DYM is there a case for a fold here? *awaits Dohhhh to tell him off for such thoughts*
Posted by tapeworm

Lol!! Do I always disagree with you like? I hadn't noticed!!!

But yeh, easy shove here - fold equity is your friend

spornybol

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I'd probably shove instead, only if you have no evidence that anyone has limped with a monster before I'm happy to take whats in there, also if called should be a favourate for the hand
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

no-one has limped with a monster there`s normally a raise with a decent hand, ie a/j and above but the table was also quite passive at times, so just limping with half decent hands

YOUNG_GUN

Just shove then, if you get 1 or more callers hard to know where you at. 10s are going to be vulnerable here and less then 15 bb perfect spot for a shove. that was my only caution if you had seen someone limp with aces/kings before

N1CK

i think once you raise to that amount its pretty bad to fold at any point pre or post flop, calling could be an option if it was less than a 15th of you stack, shoving cant be bad

waynec

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i think once you raise to that amount its pretty bad to fold at any point pre or post flop, calling could be an option if it was less than a 15th of you stack, shoving cant be bad
Posted by N1CK

This correct you may as well shove pre you cant be bluffed if an over card falls on the flop.

spornybol

i would also like too say, when i have shoved before with ie, pocket 10s i seem to get a caller, maybe because they think i`m stealing what`s in the pot and they seem to hit at least if i do this raise i can re-ajust on flop ?

CLIOKID

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i would also like too say, when i have shoved before with ie, pocket 10s i seem to get a caller, maybe because they think i`m stealing what`s in the pot and they seem to hit at least if i do this raise i can re-ajust on flop ?
Posted by spornybol

Don't be results orientated.

If you shoved tens before and lost to someone who was a dog when the chips went in you still played the hand correctly.

It would be pretty bad to raise nearly half your stack pre and then fold to a bet on the flop so just shove pre and take away any tricky decision you might have.

AcidMan27

In Response to Re: is this too much?:

In Response to Re: is this too much? : Don't be results orientated. If you shoved tens before and lost to someone who was a dog when the chips went in you still played the hand correctly. It would be pretty bad to raise nearly half your stack pre and then fold to a bet on the flop so just shove pre and take away any tricky decision you might have.
Posted by CLIOKID

This is my way of thinking. Keep it simple so you don't have to make any tough decisions after the flop.

N1CK

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i would also like too say, when i have shoved before with ie, pocket 10s i seem to get a caller, maybe because they think i`m stealing what`s in the pot and they seem to hit at least if i do this raise i can re-ajust on flop ?
Posted by spornybol

if you are thinking like this the best option for you is to fold pre, also with a short stack in the blinds whos getting a great price to call with any two and if he does call it might tempt some other call  so as its a dym folding could be an option

N1CK

another thought iv had is in these sngs your objection should be not to win or cash but to increase your equity share, you all start of with the same amount 16.6%, when other players get involved in pots the player that wins his equity increases and the player/s that lose decrease and the players not involved increase, so if everyone is limping in pre and getting involved it could be a good idea to let them get on with it and you could potentially fold your way to more equity, obviously this should be a good tactic in the early stages with a healthy stack

tapeworm

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another thought iv had is in these sngs your objection should be not to win or cash but to increase your equity share, you all start of with the same amount 16.6%, when other players get involved in pots the player that wins his equity increases and the player/s that lose decrease and the players not involved increase, so if everyone is limping in pre and getting involved it could be a good idea to let them get on with it and you could potentially fold your way to more equity, obviously this should be a good tactic in the early stages with a healthy stack
Posted by N1CK

This is why I thought there may be a reason to fold!!!! Except i dont know how to put it like that.

Its still a shove for me though

N1CK

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In Response to Re: is this too much? : This is why I thought there may be a reason to fold!!!! Except i dont know how to put it like that. Its still a shove for me though
Posted by tapeworm

if your thinking about increasing your equity rather than trying to win or cash you will make better decisions

Equity=summary of money expectation in a sng
increased equity=increased expectation=make money

YOUNG_GUN

In Response to Re: is this too much?:

In Response to Re: is this too much? : if your thinking about increasing your equity rather than trying to win or cash you will make better decisions Equity=summary of money expectation in a sng increased equity=increased expectation=make money
Posted by N1CK

Still a standard shove in my books, regardless whether we increase our equity blinds are catching up with us and we are not in the top 3

DOHHHHHHH

It's just a clear shove. 100% 

Thinking about it any other way is a waste of time and only going to pickle your brain.

JohnConnor

Definate shove. This is a perfect spot - 1/3rd of your stack in the middle + 10s on the button + no strength shown = shove 100% of the time.

N1CK

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Definate shove. This is a perfect spot - 1/3rd of your stack in the middle + 10s on the button + no strength shown = shove 100% of the time.
Posted by JohnConnor

he has a 3rd of his stack in the middle because he raised so he cant shove=your sum is incorrect lol

N1CK

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In Response to Re: is this too much? : Still a standard shove in my books, regardless whether we increase our equity blinds are catching up with us and we are not in the top 3
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

all im saying there is an argument to fold, im not saying its correct because i dont know, and also he IS in the top 3 or was before he raised

JohnConnor

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In Response to Re: is this too much? : he has a 3rd of his stack in the middle because he raised so he cant shove=your sum is incorrect lol
Posted by N1CK

No mate. His stack is 750 + 1256.25 = 2006.25. There was 675 in the middle before his turn to act. 675 is 33.64% of 2006.25. I rounded that to a third, I assumed that would be OK.

YOUNG_GUN

lol love a pwnage wp JC

N1CK

In Response to Re: is this too much?:

In Response to Re: is this too much? : No mate. His stack is 750 + 1256.25 = 2006.25. There was 675 in the middle before his turn to act. 675 is 33.64% of 2006.25. I rounded that to a third, I assumed that would be OK.
Posted by JohnConnor

sorry my mistake i thought you ment he put a 3rd of his stack in the middle....so yeah pwnd lol

JohnConnor

No problem I see what you meant, just a bit of fun lol. Cheers and cheers YG lol