KK in SB - one caller - flop 9QQ - NL4

tapeworm

Hi Guys and Gals,

This one threw me a little as i was never really sure where I was. Player was seeing quite a few flops and was a bit passive - had only seen 20 or so hands tho.

How do we play each stage - as usual i will ad each stage after answers.

Cheers

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
X5-494	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.30
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.78
	Your hole cards	K K
djs72	Fold
garybrfc31	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.08
ELVIS	Fold
r	Raise		£0.08	£0.18	£3.80
X5-494	Fold
tapeworm	Raise		£0.28	£0.46	£6.50
garybrfc31	Fold
r	Call		£0.24	£0.70	£3.56
Flop
		9 Q Q
tapeworm	??

DOHHHHHHH

Bet to get value from hands with a 9 in, PP's, TJ, xxdd maybe even AKo.

And see what he does,

Any history on how he plays his monster hands? - Does he slow play till the river and then jam? Will he call 1 and go for value on the turn?

Does he ever raise the flop with monsters? - With flush/straight draws? 

Do you check the hand histories on hands you aren't involved in that go to showdown? - Can really help in these situations as the hand develops.

tapeworm

no history of monsters - i had no notes on him either.

Id seen him show a few double face cards -KJ, QJ etc, but also some bad starting hands that he had called a raise pre with - typical 4nl starting hands A rag, 3,4s etc.

dont think id seen him raise pre either yet either - but i was multi tabling 3 tables so cant be so sure.

regarding the HH - yes ive started doing that since I found out you could a few months ago. Need to use it more though

LOL_RAISE

bet until he raises

Dudeskin8

Bet around 60p, also at this level after a limp and minraise you can raise a LOT bigger as players will often never fold after limping so when they raise they'll pretty much snap off any bet.

tapeworm

ok so I bet out to get value from any trailing hands and see his reaction. he snap calls. What now?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
X5-494	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.30
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.78
	Your hole cards	K K
djs72	Fold
garybrfc31	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.08
ELVIS	Fold
r	Raise		£0.08	£0.18	£3.80
X5-494	Fold
tapeworm	Raise		£0.28	£0.46	£6.50
garybrfc31	Fold
r	Call		£0.24	£0.70	£3.56
Flop
		9 Q Q
tapeworm	Bet		£0.53	£1.23	£5.97
r	Call		£0.53	£1.76	£3.03
Turn
		4
tapeworm	??

waynec

You have to think he may have AQ or 99 even worse QQ here if he is snap calling, check/call he may have A9 at this level, I think if he shoves its an easy fold IMO.

DeucesLive

if he snap calls you think he has the nuts, really?

I think very different, I would go more with TT/JJ/A9, and he's snap calling to try and show strength in some obscure way.

I don't think he has a Q here- AQ/KQ/JQ figure to be in his range, but I'd rule out 99, and think he's more likely to have an inferior holding. The snap call at low limits always looks like a draw/weak holding/floating looking for weakness. I'd probably check, give him the rope and see what he does with it. But I don't think folding is much in my thoughts yet.

unknown_username

what stands out to me is the 2 diamonds. he poss could have suited connectors, hoping to hit. i get that alot in nl4.

tapeworm

In Response to Re: KK in SB - one caller - flop 9QQ - NL4:

what stands out to me is the 2 diamonds. he poss could have suited connectors, hoping to hit. i get that alot in nl4.
Posted by Scottomus0

right this is important............not for the reason you think tho

tapeworm

i checked because i had no idea where i was. I knew a 9 and a 4 in his hand and he would call....leaving me open to a steal with more money in the pot by me - NL4 players are quite able to shove here. I dont think a raise was wise - discuss

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
X5-494	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.30
tapeworm	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£6.78
	Your hole cards	K K
djs72	Fold
garybrfc31	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£4.08
ELVIS	Fold
r	Raise		£0.08	£0.18	£3.80
X5-494	Fold
tapeworm	Raise		£0.28	£0.46	£6.50
garybrfc31	Fold
r	Call		£0.24	£0.70	£3.56
Flop
		9 Q Q
tapeworm	Bet		£0.53	£1.23	£5.97
r	Call		£0.53	£1.76	£3.03
Turn
		4
tapeworm	Check
r	Check
River
		9
tapeworm	??

SHANXTA

as lol_raise says, just keep betting, u need to maximise as much profit as possible from these hands

rickieb1

should have folded on that flop especialy on sky you know you are gonna get skrewed

tapeworm

In Response to Re: KK in SB - one caller - flop 9QQ - NL4:

bet until he raises
Posted by LOL_RAISE

and i would agree in a perfect world......however this is nl4, there is more than a possibility this guy has the quenn - its a face card and they love playing them

the above is really important to get your mindset into - NL4!!!.....i raised, so  Q is highly possible......oh and the reason the diomonds were so important is - and this is obv my fault - i hadnt noticed them because i was too preoccupied with the queens - otherwise i would of bet the turn......who else saw that??? - genuinly.....major leak of mine

SHANXTA

the fact there are 2 queens means there's less chance he's got one, just coz the flop comes qqx, you bet and get called, doesn't automatically mean he has one.

the snap call normally means 9x, JT KJ KT etc or a flush draw, maybe even an underpair as these are all seen as auto calls by players at this level, where as with Qx he may pause 2 decide whether 2 raise

the 4c is such a beautiful card you have 2 bet again