Played to passively, or just unlucky?

Tom_Louisa

im just wondering whether I played this hand too passively, or was just unlucky; my intention was obviously to get as much value from my opponent as possibly, but should i have shoved earlier in order for prevent my opponent from sucking out as he did?
Hand History #340044169 (17:01 10/02/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
isildur30	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.66
swandog95	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£14.83
	Your hole cards	J J
OkayPokay	Fold
waynec	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£17.92
Tom_Louisa	Raise		£0.40	£0.65	£11.35
SayWhat	Fold
isildur30	Fold
swandog95	Call		£0.30	£0.95	£14.53
waynec	Call		£0.30	£1.25	£17.62
Flop
		7 9 2
swandog95	Check
waynec	Check
Tom_Louisa	Bet		£1.25	£2.50	£10.10
swandog95	Call		£1.25	£3.75	£13.28
waynec	Fold
Turn
		8
swandog95	Check
Tom_Louisa	Bet		£3.75	£7.50	£6.35
swandog95	Call		£3.75	£11.25	£9.53
River
		A
swandog95	All-in		£9.53	£20.78	£0.00
Tom_Louisa	All-in		£6.35	£27.13	£0.00
swandog95	Unmatched bet		£3.18	£23.95	£3.18
swandog95	Show	2 A
Tom_Louisa	Show	J J
swandog95	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and 2s	£22.55		£25.73

DeucesLive

done everything perfectly there... apart from perhaps the call on river. I know you have a lot invested, but realistically- how much can you beat there? The answer is not a lot at all... river brings the flush, the overcard, there's a chance he was actually slowplaying a monster already and he was actually milking you. There's almost no hands apart from a stonewall bluff, which is unlikely, that you can beat.

But preflop raise is solid, flop and turn bets pot sized- you can't do much more than that. Now you've made the call, make a note that he's willing to call pot sized flop and turn bets with bottom pair no draw. That kind of player will make you serious money if you carry on playing the same way, vul.

N1CK

passively? are you sure??

as above, it sucks when they get there

Tom_Louisa

i dont want into too much detail regarding the (admittedly bad) river call/
that which i am concerned with is whether or not its better to shut a hand down when holding a vulnerable hand (such as JJ), or whether it is better to attempt to extract maximum value.
pretty frequently i experience problems relating to obtaining maximum value at the expence of allowing an opponent to overtake...

Tom_Louisa

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky?:

passively? are you sure?? as above, it sucks when they get there
Posted by N1CK

by passively i guess what i really mean is not shutting down earlier

Dudeskin8

You pot bet flop and turn and donkey gets there, it happens.

N1CK

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky?:

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky? : by passively i guess what i really mean is not shutting down earlier
Posted by Tom_Louisa

if you think they can call you with worse hands then DONT shut down keep betting for value, bet bet bet until they raise you

i think you played the hand spot on until he bet the river, when these passive players raise or bet it generally means your toast

LOL_RAISE

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky?:

i dont want into too much detail regarding the (admittedly bad) river call/
Posted by Tom_Louisa

but that is possibly the only part of the hand that isnt played perfectly!

although i do think the river call is a good call tbh

CLIOKID

Played fine.

Keep playing it like that and you'll make money in the long run.

EZ game.

TommyD

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky?:

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky? : if you think they can call you with worse hands then DONT shut down keep betting for value, bet bet bet until they raise you i think you played the hand spot on until he bet the river, when these passive players raise or bet it generally means your toast
Posted by N1CK

This

Unless you have good reads/notes that the villain is capable of repping the Ace they always have it in this spot, especially at this level.

Macacan

There's nothing worse, you do all the hard work and the they catch up and boom.

You've played this spot on, bet out all the way to the river and your ahead.  River shows a scare card, this is where your read and judgment comes in to play. call or fold.... He's flat called you all the way which should suggest he has something. Would never of  guessed  A2.

Obviously, didn't believe you had anything, only reason for the flat call. I would like to think i would fold, you where just unlucky me thinks.

As a point of interest,what  did you have him on?

Mac

Tom_Louisa

In Response to Re: Played to passively, or just unlucky?:

There's nothing worse, you do all the hard work and the they catch up and boom. You've played this spot on, bet out all the way to the river and your ahead.  River shows a scare card, this is where your read and judgment comes in to play. call or fold.... He's flat called you all the way which should suggest he has something. Would never of  guessed  A2. Obviously, didn't believe you had anything, only reason for the flat call. I would like to think i would fold, you where just unlucky me thinks. As a point of interest,what  did you have him on? Mac
Posted by Macacan

I called in the hope of him having hit on the flop / turn: the only reasoning i could find for his flop / turn calls...

a bit optimistic, probably should have guessed that he might be donking off on the flop / turn with A high at this level