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sky poker fees
i find that the skypoker buyin fees are to exspensive who agrees with me
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the fees are the same here as every other site except sky plays in £'s and £'s only where as everywhere else is $'s and/or euros but i would say the fees on sky are fair and not over expensive obvously if you want to play the main events at 8pm you have to expect the BI fee to be higher the a normal sng or dym as the prize pools are a lot bigger but if you look on other sites you will see that some of them have $1000 BI's so compare sky to them skys BI fees are small
(no offence jockbmw but im sick to death of this now)
In other words 15% on low level games for small bankroll players is NOT RIGHT
I await ure reply MR.BROWN NOSE
If thhis is the case here's my take on it............
Live TV, presenters, analysts and studio guests all cost money and i think we all agree that this is one of the plus sides to Sky Poker..............just a thought
Let's face it, people playing in 30p/50p/£1 DYMs and the like are not here to seriously try and make a profit, at that level poker is a recreational game.
Good old fashioned supply and demand will dictate the fees, if nobody ever sat at the tables that charge over 10% the rake would probably drop, but that's simply not the case, they all fill up quite quicky irrespective of what other sites are charging.
You pay your money, you make your choice. I play on several other sites too, but I play much more here than anywhere else, Sky Bounty Hunter tournaments that charge 15% rake are among my favourites.
JJ says.....
"....It's also krazy that everyone from sky refuses to comment on the real issue.
Instead they try and justify why they deleted a blog, yet completely ignore the whole point that the blog was trying to make......"
Would you like me to to comment on the issue then, Dohhhhh?
I'm very happy so to do, assuming the debate is civil, & not vitriolic, but I will not be replying or responding to any insults, or rude Posts.
Up to you, but I am more than happy to comment.
My opinion, fwiw
If Sky were to make the rake on the micro DYM's 10% I don't believe they would lose money through it, and they may even make a little more.
Why? By making it slightly easier for beginners to break even or make a very small profit it would encourage more of them to keep playing or to play more, which would then mean more rake for Sky.
It's not as if the sums of money concerned are going to encourage people to withdraw their cash or play elsewhere.
When APAT was first announced, I got battered on every Poker Forum in Europe, one thread ran to over 70 pages. APAT is now a thriving organisation, never once charged Membership, or Reg Fees, & has Added Value for every single Event, as a result of which, tens of thousands of recreational players are totally loyal to it.
When "Poker Night Live" closed, ditto ditto, I got slated because I had moved to Sky Poker, & PNL closed after Sky Poker began. Ignoring the fact that latterly, the Televised Tourneys on Poker Night Live ended up with only 9 or 10 runners, because the Online Room was hopeless.
I will debate anything, with anyone, I just don't respond to those that flame, are rude, or insult me or others. I see no need for the lack of manners.
I can't give an honest opinion, (as I am "onside"). Fair point, but I can make the case with FACTS, & without opinion. "Facts" & "opionions" are very different things.
If you'd prefer me to send the Thread upstairs, fine, I will, but I cannot promise they will comment, & I'm not sure why they should feel obliged to. They offer a range of products for sale. Customers can select those products they wish to buy, & ignore those they do not wish to buy.
Every single customer matters to Sky Poker, because it's a business. A good business perfects the balancing act of keeping the majority of it's Clients happy, & maximising the return on shareholders funds. The latter is known as a "fidicuary duty", & is not a choice - that is why the business exists. The numbers suggest Sky Poker is ticking both those boxes, but it cannot please all of the people all of the time. Even the mighty 'Stars cannot do that!
It's also true that it IS getting better, bit by bit, week by week. Not fast enough better, we are all impatient souls, but nobody can deny it is improving.
Each time there is what is known as a "Scheduled Maintenance Outage", the sarcastic comments soon follow. But what do you think "Scheduled Maintenance Outage" really means? It means they are adding a bell or whistle, adding bits & pieces, tinkering with it to improve it. How frequent have those irritating Scheduled Site Maintenance Outages occurred recently? Weekly, more sometimes. Every time it happens, it's another little improvement being tested or implemented.
We don't need to have opinions on this - the facts tell the story. Online Poker, industry-wide, is in decline. Sky Poker's uniques* & MPU** are continuing to show huge year on year increases. This allows the Promotional spend to rise in line with the increased activity. It's why they are offering better Freerolls, better SPT, better structures, better TSP, better VLV, better Total Player, better 865 Guests, better Promotions, da de da.
* "Uniques" is a standard online industry term for the number of different individuals who visit the site each day.
** "MPU" is a standard Online Industry term for Margin per Unique. Margin is the amount of fees generated by each player.
If "uniques" & "MPU" are both heading north, the business is perfoming it's function. And it cannot do that unless the majority of it's customers are pleased with the Site, & it is adding - NET adding - new customers all the time. It is.
Low-Level DYM Reg Fees. Traffic at the lower limit DYM's is up year-on-year in line with the rest of the business. So why would the business reduce the fee? How much extra traffic would it need to generate to justify the reduction in fees?
If the reg fee on these were to be, say, halved, do you really think the effect would be to double the amount of them played? Because it would need to do that to justify it.
It is hard to say this without it coming across wrong, but the fact is, it's a business.
"....is it simply exploitation of the naivety of beginners, and poor players?....."
I'm note sure what that has to do with the price of eggs. It's nothing to do with "poor players", "naivety", or "exploitation". A product is offered at a certain price, with an added reg fee. That Reg Fee is CLEARLY shown.
To enter one, you....
Select it in the Lobby, where it says, say £0.60. Alongside, to the right, it says "Buy-In, £0.50 + £0.10". Now you have to CLICK that bit.
Click "Register" & it says "Buy-In + Fee = £0.50 + £0.10". Now you have to CLICK again.
Is it being suggested people cannot read that? They choose to buy the product. They do not have to - one must assume they choose to. Or not. It's their choice. Nobody makes them CLICK. But they do, in ever increasing numbers,
Do we care about "lower buy-in players"?. Hell yes - read this Forum, or my PM's, FB Messages, TSP, (which ANY LEVEL PLAYER can get in to) - or watch Poker Clinic, Poker School, etc. I doubt (opinion, not fact) that ANY Online Site has a bigger % of "smaller buy-in" players than Sky Poker. Name me a Site where the "regular" nightly Main Event is as small as £22 or £33. Do 'Stars do "Poker School" & "Poker Clinic", or even have a Community? (Rh).
Finally, yes, I may, or may not, get in trouble upstairs, but if so, so be it, what is there to hide? All of the above (except where stated) is factual.
I happen to be a tremendous admirer of that Company, & their approach to Excellence, so yes, I'd love to be as big as them, but it ain't gonna happen, so we need to be successful in other ways. "Believe in Better" says the little Trophy on my Desk, awarded to me by Head Office, because that's the Company Motto - Believe in better.
The 2nd part of your Post I have enboldened is not right, really, but does hint at the business model. The clue to that is at the top of this & every single page on any "Sky Betting & Gaming" site - those "insta-links" to other parts of the Site - Vegas, Bingo, Bet. The abilty to move around the different arms of the site easily & quickly, using a "Common Wallet", meaning cross-migration & cross-sell is easy-peasy, is the key. And that cuts both ways, it works for the Customers, & it works for the business.
It is a very complex business, & poker is like a gear cog within the whole thing. It serves other gear cogs, & they serve us, too. None of it works unless all of it works. The convo has now come a long way from the 10p Reg Fee on a 60p DYM, do you not think?
If you were to walk into a supermarket and they charged one price for butter and one price for margarine then the buyer has the choice to purchase or not. If people don't buy at the current price then the pricing model gets adjusted. I can only assume enough players are happy with the current Sky Poker pricing model that they keep paying the price and playing.
I can't believe it's not better.
Guys, quite frankly, the debate is boring.
Moaning is not getting anyone anywhere it just blocks the forum up with drivel.
The price is the price, take it or leave it is my stance.
If you feel that strongly vote with your feet!
Lol @ "I can't believe it's not better"!