heads ups - what did i do wrong??

spornybol

as title said

Hand History #342508583 (03:12 17/02/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
?	Small blind		800.00	800.00	106442.50
spornybol	Big blind		1600.00	2400.00	56157.50
	Your hole cards	K K
?	Call		800.00	3200.00	105642.50
spornybol	Raise		3200.00	6400.00	52957.50
?	Raise		6400.00	12800.00	99242.50
spornybol	Raise		12800.00	25600.00	40157.50
?	Call		9600.00	35200.00	89642.50
Flop
		J 6 J
spornybol	Bet		26400.00	61600.00	13757.50
?	Call		26400.00	88000.00	63242.50
Turn
		A
spornybol	All-in		13757.50	101757.50	0.00
?	Call		13757.50	115515.00	49485.00
?	Show	8 A
spornybol	Show	K K
River
		3
?	Win	Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks	115515.00		165000.00

bustout44

In Response to heads ups - what did i do wrong??:

as title said Hand History #342508583 (03:12 17/02/2011) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ? Small blind   800.00 800.00 106442.50 spornybol Big blind   1600.00 2400.00 56157.50   Your hole cards K K       ? Call   800.00 3200.00 105642.50 spornybol Raise   3200.00 6400.00 52957.50 ? Raise   6400.00 12800.00 99242.50 spornybol Raise   12800.00 25600.00 40157.50 ? Call   9600.00 35200.00 89642.50 Flop     J 6 J       spornybol Bet   26400.00 61600.00 13757.50 ? Call   26400.00 88000.00 63242.50 Turn     A       spornybol All-in   13757.50 101757.50 0.00 ? Call   13757.50 115515.00 49485.00 ? Show 8 A       spornybol Show K K       River     3       ? Win Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks 115515.00   165000.00
Posted by spornybol

bustout44

hi i dont see you done much wrong he obviously decided his ace was good pre and after that flop and it doesnt look like he would have folded whatever you bet.only question is why not all in on the flop or a cheque raise all in. as you had committed yourself with the bet anyway,at least then you have got your chips in good and its just a bad beat on the turn Response to Re: heads ups - what did i do wrong??:

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Posted by bustout44

YOUNG_GUN

nothing really, was very unlucky.

The_Don90

Only thing i do different is ive seen him limp raise pre, tells me hes not folding so i jam.

YOUNG_GUN

I wouldn't jam pre, post flop maybe but as played done same job

Why would you jam when they are so deep donald?

The_Don90

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I wouldn't jam pre, post flop maybe but as played done same job Why would you jam when they are so deep donald?
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

because the limp raise screems that our opponent isnt folding. Have you honestly ever seen a guy limp raise then fold??

So if i can get the money in pre with KK then i will, then i dont need to worry about the board coming down 89T of hearts,

YOUNG_GUN

I disagree donny, limp raising does not mean they are not folding. in this example it maybe we will never know, but by shoving you are pretty much turning your hand face up you have PP 10+ or AK

Heads up i dont care what flop there is unless the Ace comes when you have kings, aim to get on flop unless it is super dangerous

pomfrittes

  I agree with Don here. I would re reraise all-in and take whats in the pot rather than see his rag ace hit. If he has aces so be it.

The_Don90

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I disagree donny, limp raising does not mean they are not folding. in this example it maybe we will never know, but by shoving you are pretty much turning your hand face up you have PP 10+ or AK Heads up i dont care what flop there is unless the Ace comes when you have kings, aim to get on flop unless it is super dangerous
Posted by YOUNG_GUN

Mate i respect you as a HU player. But dont you think re-raising is almost turning your hands face up anyways, how many players 4-bet with a wider range than the one you mentioned, maybe AQ too.

so if im 4-betting im shoving.

YOUNG_GUN

Likewise donald, agree to disagree. Basically i think by shoving we are folding out small pocket hands and possibly AQ/AJ/A10 all player dependant but i think you are missing out on value by shoving

Dudeskin8

He limps you raise, when he reraises SHOVE your stack into the middle of the table DO NOT minraise, it's so bloody awful it makes me want to cry.

Also just shove on the flop, if he has the jack say good game, click exit table.

The_Don90

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He limps you raise, when he reraises SHOVE your stack into the middle of the table DO NOT minraise, it's so bloody awful it makes me want to cry. Also just shove on the flop, if he has the jack say good game, click exit table.
Posted by Dudeskin8

glad someone agrees with me lol.

Dudeskin8

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In Response to Re: heads ups - what did i do wrong?? : glad someone agrees with me lol.
Posted by The_Don90

TBH Donny it's getting a little creepy how good your getting at this game lol

The_Don90

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In Response to Re: heads ups - what did i do wrong?? : TBH Donny it's getting a little creepy how good your getting at this game lol
Posted by Dudeskin8

maybe some good theory, just need to practice what i talk about sometimes lol.

As Redmond said on telle and my old man said to me as a kid,

"do as i say, not as i do" lol

DOHHHHHHH

It's played fine, once he makes it 6.4k pre flop, you know from that point that you're either gonna double up or bust - It's all going in.

I'd bet much weaker on the flop.

DeucesLive

Well, there's 2 scenarios here- 1 is he's a good player, 2 is he's bad. A good player is rarely ever going to limp here, *maybe* trapping with aces but it's a very rare scenario so we can safely assume our player isn't very good.

If our player is good, we have to factor in possible 3 bet bluffs with intention of folding to a 4 bet, but with a bad player- a 3 bet is stack committing almost always. They won't limp reraise with the intention of folding, so just jam it in.

If, however, we want to look at trying to get the money in- what turns our hand face up more, min 4 betting or 4 bet jamming? The minraise is crying out to get called, and screams that you have aces or kings. Jamming makes it look more like QQ/JJ, possibly, and if your player is a little more capable, you're more likely to get action from AK/AQ/QQ. As it is, I think he'd snap it off anyway.

On the flop, if he has a J- gg wp. But it's such a small part of his range (AJ, maybe KJ/QJ/J10) that you just shrug it off. But the money HAS to go in on the flop IMO, the only way it's going in later is if you've gone behind.

IDONKCALLU

In Response to heads ups - what did i do wrong??:

as title said Hand History #342508583 (03:12 17/02/2011) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance ? Small blind   800.00 800.00 106442.50 spornybol Big blind   1600.00 2400.00 56157.50   Your hole cards K K       ? Call   800.00 3200.00 105642.50 spornybol Raise   3200.00 6400.00 52957.50 ? Raise   6400.00 12800.00 99242.50 spornybol Raise   12800.00 25600.00 40157.50 ? Call   9600.00 35200.00 89642.50 Flop     J 6 J       spornybol Bet   26400.00 61600.00 13757.50 ? Call   26400.00 88000.00 63242.50 Turn     A       spornybol All-in   13757.50 101757.50 0.00 ? Call   13757.50 115515.00 49485.00 ? Show 8 A       spornybol Show K K       River     3       ? Win Two Pairs, Aces and Jacks 115515.00   165000.00
Posted by spornybol

there is enough in the pot on the flop i would of just went all in on the flop and move on to the next hand

LOL_RAISE

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It's played fine, once he makes it 6.4k pre flop, you know from that point that you're either gonna double up or bust - It's all going in. I'd bet much weaker on the flop.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

starting to like dohhhh's replies, guess that means im a fish!

spornybol

THANKS GUYS WHEN I WROTE TITLE WAS WORRIED IT WAS COMING ACROSS AS BAD BEAT THREAD, THOUGH I RE-RERAISED PRE I FELT EVEN IF I WENT ALL-IN ON FLOP THEY WHERE GOING CALL SO EVEN MY 3 QUATER POT BET TOLD ME HE WAS GOING CALL, AS STATED WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY MORE I COULD DO, CHEERS