was this call really THAT bad?

waller02

this hand is from tonights 15k BH. now, don't get me wrong i know i am behind when i make this call and the villain kindly "lol" in the chat box and was telling me what a poor call it was, but i have to disagree and would like other ppls thoughts on this. my thought process before making this call was:
1. i had 8bb's
2. the blinds were gonna change to 200/400 in less than 2 mins
3. the villain had 5.5 bb's and his shoving range will be a lot wider, he could have had an under pair, in fact all i don't wanna see is jj+ and obv hands that leave me dominated kq aq etc......i know if i have 2 live cards i'm at worst 40% underdog (i think thats right?) plus (athough unlikley) he could even have a hand worse than mine
4. the biggest factor was it was BH with an £11 plus head at stake

in a normal mtt i'm folding this hand almost everytime, but in this case i don't think my call was poor, a gamble i know but one worth taking imo,
so ur opinions please poor call or not??? if you think it was poor then i would appreciate some constructive criticism

Lex18	Small blind		150.00	150.00	2188.13
waller02	Big blind		300.00	450.00	2125.00
	Your hole cards	J Q
giddyzoe	Call		300.00	750.00	4015.00
Jigsey	Fold
	All-in		1780.00	2530.00	0.00
ROBBLYNCH	Fold
Lex18	Fold
waller02	All-in		2125.00	4655.00	0.00
giddyzoe	Fold
waller02	Unmatched bet		645.00	4010.00	645.00
waller02	Show	J Q
	Show	10 A
Flop
		6 3 J
Turn
		A
River
		K
	Win	Pair of Aces	4010.00		4010.00

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Dudeskin8

Even though its a BH I'd still rather get my money/chips in first, when you call here you lose all fold equity as your just calling off and fairly sure your behind or at best racing.

With that stack I'm snap shoving any unraised pot but just feel calling off is the worst option.

splashies

I'm personally folding everytime here because I would prefer to get my chips in first. Having said that, with value of the bounty and the fact we only have around 7.5 BB's left, it's not a terrible call. QJ is an excellent shoving hand but not a great hand to call off for your tournament.

waller02

yeah i know the call wasn't exactly great but i think the fact i was short and it was a BH made me do it!, also these were the best cards i had been dealt in about 20 mins so i just thought oh well here i go! lol obv in a normal mtt i'm am folded everytime. it was the fact that the villain laughed and told me what an awful call it was made me post it! wound me up a bit! i've seen a LOT worse calls in BH's anyway

DeucesLive

My opinion- it's not a bad call. And the logic of get your chips in first- I couldn't agree more, normally, but in a BH you need to take your chances ASAP and 8bbs is too late IMO, you're already in the stage where your fold equity is at an absolute minimum. People will need the most minute hand possible to call you- A high, even K high might work. If they have enough chips they may even call you with 7 high. So yea, if you're lucky enough to get a really legit hand then you can expect a big chance of a double through, but with your stack I don't think you can wait around for that.

It's one of those that could go either way depending on mood, calling or folding are fairly equal in my mind here.

leon621

yeah im making this decision entirely on what the average amount of each pot is, i dont see any point in fizzling out of a MTT, its depressing lol. If this is your best chance of getting back in why not.