Folding aces twices in a night - never again!

CLIOKID

I've not been on the table long (doubled up on my 3rd hand I think)

Feel free to tear into my bet size on the turn as I know that was rubbish.

I don't know an awful lot about my oppo but get the general feeling that he isn't very good.

Is the flat on the turn correct?

Is the river always a fold?

If the river is a brick, and the villain still shoves is it a call?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
joe12345	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£136.71
Forest1975	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£47.88
	Your hole cards	A A
Landlord	Fold
CLIOKID	Raise		£4.00	£5.50	£182.25
joe12345	Call		£3.50	£9.00	£133.21
Forest1975	Fold
Flop
		J 10 2
joe12345	Check
CLIOKID	Bet		£6.00	£15.00	£176.25
joe12345	Call		£6.00	£21.00	£127.21
Turn
		3
joe12345	Check
CLIOKID	Bet		£12.00	£33.00	£164.25
joe12345	Raise		£24.00	£57.00	£103.21
CLIOKID	Call		£12.00	£69.00	£152.25
River
		J
joe12345	All-in		£103.21	£172.21	£0.00
CLIOKID	Fold
joe12345	Muck
joe12345	Win		£67.20		£67.20
joe12345	Return		£103.21	£1.80	£170.41

christiann

Seems like he's shoving hoping you have the jack, i reckon he flopped a set, the raise on the turn is uber strong.

scotty77

given how he's played it his possible hands are JT/TT/22.  the min raise on the turn is massive IMO.

personally I'd be looking at betting more flop tho.

good fold sir.

MP33

its a fold from me, even with a brick on the river if he makes the same play

The raise on the turn is the last thing you wanna see . you,ve shown strength throughout and yet he still raises - I,d be putting him on the same hands as Scotty has

 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Folding aces twices in a night - never again!:

Seems like he's shoving hoping you have the jack, i reckon he flopped a set, the raise on the turn is uber strong.
Posted by christiann

i wish i could say more but this about somes up my thoughts.

\Good fold imo

LOL_RAISE

i would say 4xing otb is bad 4handed but if the blinds are both bad then its super fine
lol minraises

ratedRKO

forgive my inexperience but is re-raising the turn a bad play? by just flat calling are you not allowing yourself to be bluffed off on the river? i would have bet bigger on turn £18-19 when he min-raises is not a good move to go back over the top?-we do have AA.

reading a couple of comments, people say the min-raise on the turn by the opponent is very strong and looks like a set, if thats the case & thats what u put him on, then its a fold to the raise? just wondered if someone could explain the reason for calling the turn please.

as played i would fold on the river. it looks to me like maybe top pair (AJ,KJ) he called your button raise (your range is wide so has every reason to think tp is good, got another barrel out of you on the turn-picked up on the weakness on the bet and min-raised, and hit trips on the river---this is all probably wrong lol)

would he not value bet river with a set turned f/h? or even trips? could be a busted flush-id still fold river anyway lol

beaneh

Bet bigger on flop and turn river is a fold without a read.

christiann

In Response to Re: Folding aces twices in a night - never again!:

forgive my inexperience but is re-raising the turn a bad play? by just flat calling are you not allowing yourself to be bluffed off on the river? i would have bet bigger on turn £18-19 when he min-raises is not a good move to go back over the top?-we do have AA. reading a couple of comments, people say the min-raise on the turn by the opponent is very strong and looks like a set, if thats the case & thats what u put him on, then its a fold to the raise? just wondered if someone could explain the reason for calling the turn please. as played i would fold on the river. it looks to me like maybe top pair (AJ,KJ) he called your button raise (your range is wide so has every reason to think tp is good, got another barrel out of you on the turn-picked up on the weakness on the bet and min-raised, and hit trips on the river---this is all probably wrong lol) would he not value bet river with a set turned f/h? or even trips? could be a busted flush-id still fold river anyway lol
Posted by ratedRKO

Only the villain in the hand knows mate, your thought process seems perfectly logical to me!
Everyone's allowed to offer their two penny's so don't worry about how much experience you have :-D

jakally

In Response to Re: Folding aces twices in a night - never again!:

forgive my inexperience but is re-raising the turn a bad play? by just flat calling are you not allowing yourself to be bluffed off on the river? i would have bet bigger on turn £18-19 when he min-raises is not a good move to go back over the top?-we do have AA. reading a couple of comments, people say the min-raise on the turn by the opponent is very strong and looks like a set, if thats the case & thats what u put him on, then its a fold to the raise? just wondered if someone could explain the reason for calling the turn please. as played i would fold on the river. it looks to me like maybe top pair (AJ,KJ) he called your button raise (your range is wide so has every reason to think tp is good, got another barrel out of you on the turn-picked up on the weakness on the bet and min-raised, and hit trips on the river---this is all probably wrong lol) would he not value bet river with a set turned f/h? or even trips? could be a busted flush-id still fold river anyway lol
Posted by ratedRKO

What happens when we reraise the turn?

He will fold most one pair hands, which we are ahead of (although he may get stubborn with AJ).

He calls / raises with two pair / set hands.

Therefore we are getting him to put more money in with better hands, and getting him to fold when we are ahead.

Raising only really works if he plays his draws  like this, but unless we have a read to say he min raises strong draws, it seems a weird line to take with a draw. (Either a call, or a bigger raise to try to get us to fold would make more sense).

ratedRKO

In Response to Re: Folding aces twices in a night - never again!:

In Response to Re: Folding aces twices in a night - never again! : What happens when we reraise the turn? He will fold most one pair hands, which we are ahead of (although he may get stubborn with AJ). He calls / raises with two pair / set hands. Therefore we are getting him to put more money in with better hands, and getting him to fold when we are ahead. Raising only really works if he plays his draws  like this, but unless we have a read to say he min raises strong draws, it seems a weird line to take with a draw. (Either a call, or a bigger raise to try to get us to fold would make more sense).
Posted by jakally

really helpful post - cheers mate.