played too passive??

ratedRKO

ok hand is readless, only thing i know about the player is that he is good. do i play this way too passive? should i lead turn? as played should i call river? its KQ or a total bluff imo - but readless i have to fold right?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
stien	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£49.95
Nutter5932	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£57.50
	Your hole cards	A A
ratedRKO	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£48.68
LOL_RAISE	Call		£2.00	£4.75	£63.04
ProPlayer	Fold
stien	Call		£1.75	£6.50	£48.20
Nutter5932	Fold
Flop
		Q K Q
stien	Check
ratedRKO	Bet		£4.00	£10.50	£44.68
LOL_RAISE	Call		£4.00	£14.50	£59.04
stien	Fold
Turn
		6
ratedRKO	Check
LOL_RAISE	Bet		£8.00	£22.50	£51.04
ratedRKO	Call		£8.00	£30.50	£36.68
River
		5
ratedRKO	Check
LOL_RAISE	Bet		£37.50	£68.00	£13.54
ratedRKO	Fold
LOL_RAISE	Muck
LOL_RAISE	Win		£28.97		£42.51
LOL_RAISE	Return		£37.50

SevenChips

I think you need to find out what the other guy is holding

A check to re raise on the turn would give you good info (he pushes he has a Q, calls K or Q, or folds)
Or maybe bet out on the river being prepared to fold to a re raise?

Other than that I think you did well to put down the bullets

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Kasabian1

First of all your check on the turn does give him the chance to bluff, so that is a possibility. However, the overbet on the river suggests a strong hand, like you said, it's either a Q/fullhouse or a bluff, he's never playing a K this way or a lower PP. 

To answer your Q, firing the turn is debatable but I'd probably fire out half pot, keep control of the pot whilst not giving much opportunity for the opponent to bluff without committing himself, not firing the turn allows hands such as J10 or drawing hands an opportunity to bluff. As played, I would also fold the river. 

huuuuume

if you are willing to call the turn why arent you betting it?

if you bet turn then you can get away from reraise or price out draws and Kx hands.

as played fold river

N1CK

pretty gross spot against this villain, when you check the turn he will put you on AA or Ak, im torn between checking or betting the flop, when you bet then check you can pick up bluffs on the turn but when he sets you in on 5th i would just give it up, if it was heads up on the flop i might play it this way and look him up on the end if i had evidence he was capable of this play but it can get a bit spewy lol

DOHHHHHHH

lol raise always has massive stacks he can't possibly ever bluff.

People with big stacks don't bluff

N1CK

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

lol raise always has massive stacks he can't possibly ever bluff. People with big stacks don't bluff
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

yeah its pretty sick, when he sticks the op in on 5th he prolly dosnt expect him to call the way the hand played out so you would expect him to bet smaller to get some value from AA or Ak , how would you play the Aces here Dohhh?

also the turn bet looks suspicious like hes setting up a good size bluff bet on the end lol

DOHHHHHHH

I don't know because I never sit and play against good players.

At my level, I'd pretty much know I was beat once I check the turn and he bets.

Prob wud call that 1 bet tho coz I can't fold, then c/f the river if I miss my 1 outer

Sometimes they'll have floated me on the flop, and turned 88/99 into a bluff on the turn, then they give up on the river too, or make some pathetic stab at it, which I'd call off, but when they overbet like that it's always Qx minimum.

Lol raise is good tho, so got no idea what he's playing at here.

CLIOKID

This sort of spot gives me a headache.

If it was HU I prob call.

But it was 3-way to the flop, and Lol calls the flop bet with a player still to act so he obviously has SOMETHING.

Does he call bets on the flop here with JT - I'm not sure. Smallish turn bet with  JT wouldn't make too much sense unless he thinks you've led out with air/underpair. 

How active have you been at the table? Active enough for Lol to take a flop in position with QT/QJ? Or quite quiet where he might just flat AQ against you?

It's a tough spot, looks like KQ to me tbh. Can't see him turning Kx into a bluff here, that'd be pretty sick. And the call on the flop when there was a chance for it to go 3-way looks mega strong.

Think you've played it fine tbh. 

LOL_RAISE

lol at my turn sizing what hand id number is it?

donkeyplop

Overbet pot on river, bluff maybe?

ratedRKO

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

lol at my turn sizing what hand id number is it?
Posted by LOL_RAISE

hand id - 347535233 plz tell me what u had :-P

thanks for all the replys. i was kind of expecting to get crucified for playing the hand too passive, i do think i should be leading the turn here to be honest. have i not massively under represented my hand, making bluffs a bigger part of his range?

I look weak, his bet river bet looks odd - the way ive played the hand AA is at the very top of my range. overtime would a call not be profitable?

ratedRKO

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

This sort of spot gives me a headache. If it was HU I prob call. But it was 3-way to the flop, and Lol calls the flop bet with a player still to act so he obviously has SOMETHING. Does he call bets on the flop here with JT - I'm not sure. Smallish turn bet with  JT wouldn't make too much sense unless he thinks you've led out with air/underpair.  How active have you been at the table? Active enough for Lol to take a flop in position with QT/QJ? Or quite quiet where he might just flat AQ against you? It's a tough spot, looks like KQ to me tbh. Can't see him turning Kx into a bluff here, that'd be pretty sick. And the call on the flop when there was a chance for it to go 3-way looks mega strong. Think you've played it fine tbh. 
Posted by CLIOKID

this was the reason i checked turn tbh

LOL_RAISE

i remember this hand and i remember that as soon as i overbet the river i realised it was a pretty bad mistake

il go find the hh now

LOL_RAISE

sigh im bad, i had a frush

N1CK

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

sigh im bad, i had a frush
Posted by LOL_RAISE

what did you put him on? was you going to fire the river if you didnt get there?

LOL_RAISE

i might have valuebet really small on the river if i missed FD as i had KTdd

N1CK

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

i might have valuebet really small on the river if i missed FD as i had KTdd
Posted by LOL_RAISE

wouldnt it be better to bet smaller with the flush and shove the k 10?

lJAMESl

Easy turn bet vs the recreational fish that called the flop, think he 1 tables mostly not seen his alias much - take him down!

LOL_RAISE

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

In Response to Re: played too passive?? : wouldnt it be better to bet smaller with the flush and shove the k 10?
Posted by N1CK

i thought  KT was good on its own

N1CK

In Response to Re: played too passive??:

In Response to Re: played too passive?? : i thought  KT was good on its own
Posted by LOL_RAISE

he was as good as that then lol