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Newbie looking for help
Just looking for a little help with this hand.
I know I went wrong at the begging first of all I shouldnt have even been playing 8-9 suited (cant help but wanna see a flop with this hand) and secondly if i am gonig to raise need to do much more than the min.
But can anyone tlak me through what i did after the flop? should I have known what he ahd after the first call? I put him on a hand like A Q
Hope this hand posts correclty
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| newts09 | Small blind | 25.00 | 25.00 | 5675.00 | |
| lishaspop | Big blind | 50.00 | 75.00 | 2875.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| bloodboy | Fold | ||||
| 35suited | Raise | 100.00 | 175.00 | 6240.00 | |
| spurs568 | Call | 100.00 | 275.00 | 6125.00 | |
| terextc28 | Fold | ||||
| newts09 | Call | 75.00 | 350.00 | 5600.00 | |
| lishaspop | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| newts09 | Check | ||||
| 35suited | Bet | 1950.00 | 2300.00 | 4290.00 | |
| spurs568 | Fold | ||||
| newts09 | Call | 1950.00 | 4250.00 | 3650.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| newts09 | Check | ||||
| 35suited | All-in | 4290.00 | 8540.00 | 0.00 | |
| newts09 | All-in | 3650.00 | 12190.00 | 0.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| newts09 | Show |
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| 35suited | Show |
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| newts09 | Win | Straight to the Queen | 11550.00 | 11550.00 | |
| 35suited | Win | Two Pairs, 9s and 8s | 640.00 | 640.00 | |
Comments
Flop comes massive for you. Flopping two pair vs. a straight is just a bit chilly, and you've got outs to the boat even if they have JT (as was the case here). However, I do think you go wrong with the bet size on the flop - 5.5x pot is a mistake as it leaves you committed to the hand no matter what they do themselves.
If you bet say 275 into 350 and you get flat called, you can then fire another bet of say 900 on the turn and should they raise you, you're able to get away from the hand for a total of 1175 (275+900), which is obviously much less than the 1950 you put out there on the flop in this hand. Whether you want to get away from the hand is another matter - personally I stick it in and if I've been cold decked, sobeit. At least playing the hand this way gives you the chance to get out of jail.
Another down side is that your bet might scare off hands that you want some business from. Imagine you're on the other side of the hand and you have something like QT. You have top pair and a gutshot, but do you want to commit your stack with that hand? The answer on the whole will be yes, especially considering the fast structures on Sky Poker, but again puts your opponent in a tricky spot.
Preflop: fine. Flop: nasty. Turn: a natural result of the flop play.
Just my 2p worth. Better luck next time
I think you need to look at your bet of 1950 on the flop into a 350 chip pot. At most here you want to make it pot sized then if re-raised you can try to place your opponent on a hand or range. Looking at the way it was played and the texture of the flop you would see that a min raise would allow in not only Q - 8 and Q - 9 but also any suited connectors which includes J 10 and a small pair for set mining (22,33 up to maybe 66 & 77). Any pair higher than this and i think he's re-raising pre flop.
I Don't think you can put him on A Q here because he is def re-raising pre flop if that is what he holds. That limits your range to connectors, a small pair for set mining or the higher 2 pair with Q - 9 or Q - 8. If you bet the pot and he's holding a small pair that has not hit it's set then he's folding, or if his connectors are low and have not made him the up and down then i think he is gone as well. With J 10 he is either going to Smooth call you or re-raise you (both of which should make you smell a rat).
Once the 7 hits the turn then your push is trying to take down the pot there and then but i don't think you have considered what your opponent could be holding properly (something a lot of us are guilty of in the small amount of time you have to make your decisions when playing online). you now know that Q - 7, Q - 8, Q - 9, J - 10, 10 - 6 & 5 - 6 have you crushed. as does a pocket pair of 7's ( 8's and 9's also but much less likley due to you holding one of each and the flop having one of each). So thats a minimum of 7 hands that beat you and they are all within your customers range as you have min bet pre flop letting exactly these hands in.
When you say you think he has A - Q do you have any thought process behind this or are you just convincing yourself he has it to justify the push????
This is a good hand to anylise as it has a lot of scope for thought processes to be explained. These are mine and you may or may not agree with them but that is the joy of forum hand discussions. you will get to see a lot of points of view on the same thing and pick out the best advice you can. Some (or maybe even most) people will not agree with my analysis but that all just adds to the amount of info you can learn from.
My Advice: in a nutshell my advice is to always go through your thought process not the result. After playing pre-flop you were always going to lose chips in this pot but you could have limited the amount you lost by asking a question on the flop (but one you can afford to listen to the answer to) and then check calling it down to kepp the pot small. you over inflated the pot on the fop and then desperation forced you to try and take it down on the turn. Good Luck and remember it's all a learning curve - Keep playing and I'm sure we will meet soon on the Virtual Felt
I agree with Dave, your bet on the flop was so big you are only going to get called by a big hand, or a nutter who doesnt understand pot odds.
When he called your post flop bet, i would have checked and possibly only called the turn and river.
I am a tight player and would have just put a post flop bet of 350, as Dave has said and would be able to put it down.
One final thought, if a player, i dont know very well, check calls a big bet like that i have a tendancy to believe them, as it was a lot to call for a gutshot, so i would put them on a straight or poss set. I may be wrong but at least i have maintained my chipstack for a later spot.
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Gareth
By betting 1950, you're saying: if you have TJ or a set, then take my money. If you have nothing then I won't win a dime off you.