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No hud, better for you?
Playing on sky poker I'm assuming everyone is playing HUD-less. You think this is better for your game or worse?
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Until we can use HUDs on here this will always be a little site, its no accident that you can use them on the big sites is it. Worse still we are denied access to a replayer and many other methods of analysing our play away from the table available with HM, all of which make hh's on here look prehistoric. But don't let tools that can help you improve your game get in the way of this crazy argument against tracking software.
People should take a look at the software there's so much more to HM and PT than the HUD, although looking at the voting it appears the Luddites are out in force again. Once the business case becomes overwhelming they'll be here.
Incidentally the HUD was not part of the original software on HM or PT, it was added on later versions, the original purpose of the software was for post game analysis, a fact many either don't know or just choose to ignore.
Why do they still not advertise tracking software is banned on the site, it will get every depositing losing player on sky when they realise about tracking software.
If you have the depositing losing players on the site, you control the market. Without depositing players there is no industry.
Plus these players dont care about rakeback and they will go and donk money off on betting and casino games too.
Like any business online poker relies on players depositing money, these players are put off online poker as they dont want to play against people with this software. Plus it makes the semi pros and pros edge over the fish too great. The fish arnt going to keep depositing if they are losing too oftern they do need to win sometimes and that is going to be less and less the bigger the edge the regs have.
More and more networks are realising that they need to find fish as the current business model of huge rakeback deals is unsustainable. Stars and ft are the market leaders due to huge advertising investment but the biggest reason is they are offering a service to millions in america that most sites dont.
If I am that clueless stien lets play heads up, name the time, obviously you arnt going to play me becasue you know you would then turn into the depositing player when I have done with you.
AJS
FWIW, there seems to be alot of confusion about HUDs/tracking software. It would take major network changes, and systematic decisions at Skys end (+ alot of time) for them to get the software to the point that a HUD would be a possibility.
As ever on here you ignore the essence of my original post, was I too subtle for you AJS? These fish, indeed all players would benefit from being able to examine their game using the tools available on HM or PT. But of course that's not you centred is it, you want things unchanged because that suits you, as an admitted bum hunter that's no shock is it, you don't want any players improving do you, least of all the ones you cash in on. Funny thing is you banging on about needing depositing fish ain't going to help recruit them is it, are you too stupid to realise your own statement is harmful to new player (fish) recruitment.
As for heads up with you, did you learn that one from browndog? I've sat enough times with you at 6 max and you're nothing special, to be honest my gf was shocked to learn you're a big winner on here, that's how big an impression you made on me. Trust me there are plenty of others I'd avoid on here before you.
If I get chat banned for this so be it, I'm tired of discussing these issues with the same group over and over, chirpy is a case in point, not that he ever says anything new. t**t may have been a bit strong but selfish certainly sums you up and do you really think the fish know good players or those trying to improve use tracking software? You'll be calling for books, training sites and live seminars to be banned next, just in case us weaker players improve, that's just not fair is it.
you do realise one of the main thing stopping winning palyers from playing on sky is because of no hud/hem
However I agree with you entirely when it comes to post game analysis. I would like the HH to be much more accessible and have a replayer. Hopefully these are high up on the to do list. If not, I'll just have to be patient. I'm not sure I would describe it, as you have, as 'denied.' It's absent rather than refusing to be shown. Bit like the McRib when it's out of season.
As for the OP, I haven't voted as of yet. If we did have a compatible HM product I would use the HH and analysis features intensely but probably not use the HUD that often, if at all.
As for fish imporving stien, the majority dont want to they just want a leisurely game of poker and dont want to be tracked on how much they are winning or losing by people like me.
A hud would help me and make my edge greater, but then the depositing players would get fed up eventually of losing too oftern and they would not feel they get value for money. So in the short term I would be better off, but I still want people to be depositing in 20 years time, cos I dont want to have to get a proper job ever.
Every depositing player I have ever talked to was horrified to find out about tracking software and said they would never play online poker again. Most fish dont know it exists but when they do it will put them off playing.
Online poker is still a relativly new industry and relies on people spending money not "t w a t s" like me taking it out.
Long live the fish
I actually posted on blonde about this earlier. I was searching round various poker forums for info about this subject. lol, I guess I have to read the sky forum more :-)
AJS
It is also players like myself that would benefit because I could use HM to improve my game, using my own stats to leak find, looking at profitable/non profitable spots etc. As an analysis tool HM is staggeringly good, you may not have to work on your game, you have said enough that it appears success has come easy to you but as I've said before I am not so fortunate.
The HUD would be of benefit for me because the number of tables I am currently limited to is determined by my ability to read players at the table, where as you have said you can read the table comfortably when 12 tabling. I can't recognise when a player is raising UTG, button stealing, defending his big blind or 3 betting out of the bb above expectation beyond 5/6 tables, on sky without software this is a feel thing and I'm not blessed with your natural talent, even Tikay appeared surprised in the studio by your ability to make these type of reads 12 tabling HUDless. A HUD would narrow the gap between players like you and the rest of us when multi-tabling, maybe that's more of an issue to you.
End result I play no more than 6 tables, 4 mostly and Sky as a business lose out because I'm not 12 tabling, they also lose out because other players aren't either and there will eventually come a point when in order to increase my earn I'll be forced to move sites to where I can use a HUD. Before you come back telling me this site is soft, let me tell you what a coach I worked with a while back told me, there's plenty of fish on every site you just have to go looking for them. To be honest most nights the nl100 tables are reg dominated in the main, it's not like it was on here 18/24 months back when Glitter and G9 were the most prevalent high profile regs at the tables sitting amongst a group of unknowns. The site and the games are changing.
Yes I see lol_raise's point “the main thing stopping winning players from playing on sky is because of no hud/hem” but he's not losing is he and he wasn't here 12 months back, so no HUD hasn't stopped him joining has it, the cash player pool is so small on here that only another half dozen lol_raises will kill the tables.
lolufold said when discussing the WSOP there was plenty of bad play from many of the internet kids during the tourney, having a HUD on its own doesn't make you a better player, does every player who buys HM instantly become a winner? As you say yourself the majority of fish don't want to improve they just want a leisurely game of poker, so they won't care if I've got HM/PT because looking for tools to improve their game is outside their thought process, they just want a game, not that I'd be telling them about it, now that's just plain stupid.
Honestly how do you define a fish? Could it be that some of the players you refer to as depositing fish are actually learning the game trying to improve, a tool that if used properly can help these players can't be all bad can it, or are all fish just here for a game. 18 months back you'd call me a fish, no doubt from your “I'll turn you into a depositing player when I have done with you” you still do, not all fish are happy just playing the game and depositing for your benefit.
In closing yes I was out of line using the t*** word and I apologise for it, but you come across as arrogant, you did on TV and IMO you did in your opening post, maybe you need to look at that, there are plenty of better players out there, some are even better than you and they'll find Sky one day HUD or no HUD.
It was you that typed in the chat box at the start of the SPT cash final "treating this as a freeroll, don't play live, don't play tourneys, not interested" or words to this effect, didn't turn the blue hoodie down thou did you fella.
In the meantime I won't he running away from you if you turn up, I never have, so feel free to turn me into a depositing player.
Really ?? How come? I thought it would have the opposite effect, which is why I thought you would be so set against hud compatability here.
If you can 12 table making good `human` reads, then thats a decent part of your edge surely?
If suddenly huds were allowed, and as stated before, a big reason winning players from elsewhere dont play here is due to no huds, then theres a good chance the pt/hem sharks would gather in their numbers, making your edge small or at least a lot smaller.
Its obvious you play most of your poker here, and if you play some elsewhere, you cant be as skilled in interpereting pt/hem stats on the fly or as quickly as people who mega table on other sites can.
I`m not sure how drastic the reduction of `fish` would be. Not that drastic I would imagine.
You surely would be on the back foot, and competing against oppo`s who know pt/hem inside out.
IMO, if pt/hem/hu or whatever was allowed on Sky, there would be quite a few pro players looking for regular jobs before long.
This aint a dig btw AJS, just interested in how the use of a hud would help you
The one thing that would kill all action on this site.
thanks in advance