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iesnare cheating privacy tool on sky poker site/ Answers please.
JUST A QUCIK post here ! It includes the fact that there is a company tool out there called x IESNARE X
Not exactly sure what it is ,But I do know that I had it on my computer whilst playing on sky and it came from the sky poker or sky bingo network....Is this a cheating tool??
I did my homework to find out about this product and it indeed comes as part of a package on a lot of sites ,the whole deal is part of a company called Iovation which is obviously run by Greg pierson ,Ie the main guy that absolute poker and ultimate bet poker companys fell ionto said CHEATING MODE......
Trust me im not sure what privacy means here in the uk on these computers but I know this tool invades my privacy and is not in the terms and conditions of which I personally signed up to sky with....
source out any questions you like but the facts remain clear about this tool and its company.......
I urge all players on the sky poker site to have a look and see if they have iesnare on thier machine.
regards Aaron....good luck
Not exactly sure what it is ,But I do know that I had it on my computer whilst playing on sky and it came from the sky poker or sky bingo network....Is this a cheating tool??
I did my homework to find out about this product and it indeed comes as part of a package on a lot of sites ,the whole deal is part of a company called Iovation which is obviously run by Greg pierson ,Ie the main guy that absolute poker and ultimate bet poker companys fell ionto said CHEATING MODE......
Trust me im not sure what privacy means here in the uk on these computers but I know this tool invades my privacy and is not in the terms and conditions of which I personally signed up to sky with....
source out any questions you like but the facts remain clear about this tool and its company.......
I urge all players on the sky poker site to have a look and see if they have iesnare on thier machine.
regards Aaron....good luck
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However ,given the very nature of the fact this tool is in fact in violation in terms of privocy and is factored on a very large number of sites including quote skybet.com unquote... please remeber that the company that made this tool is iovation the very same ceo tophat guy that was in charge of overseeing security programming and such stuff at absolute poker and ultimate bet......
Although I cannot say in depth what this iesnare tool does or what its uses are ,I can safely say that Its most certainly not warrented on my desktop pc SIR!
Anyway if any sky poker players are concerned about this please read the 2plus2 poker forums for more information and read up on the iesnare and how to get it blacklisted from your cookies/temp files..
Im only helping to solve a riddle in a very wide network case that happens to be called absolute poker who fleeced me out of thousands of pounds...
Not a funny way to play poker ,lose thousands and then the company closes your accounts down..
And on a side note absolute poker got caught again cheating when thier ssl secure socket layer technology fell by the wayside because they couldnt afford proper tools and other tech costs ..and the relentless spam I used to get from the sites advertisements used to flood my ip connection 1 million times every day!
please also note the iesnare product comes from a company called iovation which is run by gaming ceo Greg pierson alleged super user /protector of developer for software on ap/ub scandel.
I have strong beliefs that this guy knows more than hes letting on .!
I have of course deleted it ,and praying it doesnt hold any validity in my registry or other sub system file to go undetected.
Ive also done scans /chkdsk /bootlogs and had tech support look into the issues.
The problem stems with the programming code in the actual download from what I gather on 2plus2 forum,..
they were able to change the data sub-strings and insert GODMODE into the program software which made it possible to win at all costs .
Please read up on the ap/ub scandel sir Im sure you may find similar interesting reads and help with this matter.
ohh i know all about the ub/ap scandal the superusers the $20mil being stolen from peoples accounts, russ hamilton, the customer care worker from costa rica where these sites are based trying to bribe because he had the missing HH's and what not.
I am very up to date with the whole UB/AP scandal I have never played on either of them sites not because of all the scams and what not simply because i had never heard of them i first come across the whole UB scam travelling through the 2p2 forums reading mainly the NVG thread, how people can still play on these sites is amazing and how pro poker players 'prahlad friedman ' and others are signed/signing as a pro for this site is disgusting. do you have a link to the thread that you were talking about that u see on 2p2 ??
calls in on poker cold call show, there isa specific link but its in html format not http...
This shows in specific detail also outlining which companys at present that utilise the network tool that is iesnare
This also shows skybet to be using the tool at this present time.
the detail shows in full how to delete the thing off the computer and gives a precise analysis of what it does.
Just look up news views/gossip and under travis makar, You will see skybet in the listing under the iovation iesnare program......
Hope im not gonna get into trouble for this since im only concern for the players here at sky and since i was in luton last week im surprised about it..
If this iesnare is working for and on behalf of the companys as such a cheat tool would do maybe this is why my near perfect record on sky poker/bingo has lately been abolished /.#!!! Hell Delaney Sir when i first played 1 tournament on this site I won over 550 ,,..since then all ive done is deposit money back.!!
Not worried about the money obvs ,) but what I am concerned with is at least to play a fair game under a fair and honest company...
here is the info guys >>
Slight diversion, but here is some info on iovaton's iesnare software, and how to remove it from your system. I have come across this software in the past, unsurprisingly what it does is slightly suspect/an invasion of privacy, and very possibly unlawful (in the UK don't know about the US) under the Data Protection Act.
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What is iesnare?
Iesnare is a ‘reputation management’ system by a company called Iovation that stores a digital fingerprint of your current system in a database on their website. That fingerprint can then be accessed by all of their customers - ie online gaming websites - to track your online activity.
The main purpose of the system is to block criminal activity where fraudsters use multiple stolen identities / credit cards to sign up for multiple accounts on the same gaming sites.
Whilst this sounds like a good thing and any lawful user shouldn’t have anything to worry about, what is worrying is the fact that your computer’s identity is being monitored as you use it across many different gaming websites. So for example if you use the same machine to sign up to two or more different sites that use the iesnare system, each site will know that you’ve recently signed up somewhere else and potentially earmark you as a criminal or abuser.
In the UK (no idea of the equivalent in the US) the Data Protection Act makes the sharing of personal information between different organizations is unlawful and it’s arguable that iesnare is in contravention of that law. Iovation would probably argue that they’re not storing or sharing any personal information, it’s only your PC’s identity that they’re storing and sharing. Whether your PC’s identity is a part of your personal identity is up for question.
Also, you don't get the option to opt in or out of this, the iesnare cookie is installed secretly without your knowledge or explicit permission (as opposed to the permission you give when you agree to the T&C of most gaming sites which probably includes a clause that allows them to use companies like Iovation to track users).
Who is affected?
You might be affected if:
* You use a PC with Macromedia Flash installed
* You access online gaming sites regularly
The name ‘iesnare’ seems to have been used because ‘iesnare’ is the name of the website that installs the dodgy files. However because it has ‘ie’ in it, it doesn’t mean you’re only affected if you use Internet Explorer (IE) or if you only use a Windows based PC. You could use Mozilla Firefox on a Mac or on Linux and still be affected.
Which gaming sites use iesnare?
To date the following gaming sites have been flagged as POTENTIAL (ie some are unconfirmed) users of iesnare:
* Bodog
* Sportingbet
* Bet365
* Jaxx
* Noxwin
* Miapuesta
* Bluesquare
* Intertops
* BetUK
* Ladbrokes (added 27/08/08)
* Bwin (added 27/08/08)
* Unibet (added 12/01/09) thanks moneyjon
* Betcris (added 13/01/09) thanks GlobalSquare
* Virgin Casino (added 05/02/09) thanks pfpf
* i4poker (added 20/03/09, thanks GlobalSquare)
* doylesroomcasino (added 15/07/09, thanks AdvancedGambler via PM)
* Mansion88 (added 06/12/09, thanks GlobalSquare)
* BetUS.com (added 10/12/09, thanks Rollops)
* Chilibet/poker/etc (added 23/01/10, thanks Rollops)
* Skybet (added 29/01/10, thanks Morlock55)
* Diamond (added 20/03/10, thanks King_Suckerman)
* Paddy Power (added 20/03/10, thanks DavidX)
* Foxy Casino (added 21/04/10, someone reported on MSE)
* William Hill (added 11/06/10, thanks Digi)
* Pa f (added 02/08/10, thanks kamoon)
* Coral (added 07/03/11, thanks Fella)
This list is taken from experiences of users on the MSE forum and not all are confirmed. It’s still worth checking to see if you have iesnare on your machine even if you don’t have an account at any of the sites above. It's likely there are hundreds of sites using the Reputation Management system.
How to check if iesnare is installed on your machine
1. In Windows XP etc, hit 'Windows-key - F' to open the Search window. (press the windows key and the 'f' key at the same time). In Windows Vista, do same as for xp but note you will probably have to goto 'advanced search' and then tick the 'include non-indexed ...' checkbox.
2. Type in 'mpsnare' in the Search window.
If iesnare has been used on your machine you'll find one or more of the following folders:
* #mpsnare.iesnare.com
* #ci-mpsnare.iovation.com
* mpsnare.iesnare.com
* ci-mpsnare.iovation.com
How to disable iesnare
Step 1 - enable access to the file/folder security properties so you can change the permissions on the folders:
Note: you must have administrative privileges on the machine. The following steps are for Windows XP Service Pack 2/3.
1. Open Windows Explorer.
2. Go 'Tools /> Folder Options'.
3. Select the 'View' tab.
4. In 'Advanced Settings', scroll down to the bottom and make sure 'Use simple file sharing' is NOT ticked.
5. Click 'OK'.
This allows you access to the security settings for each file/folder which isn't usually displayed by default (presumably to stop people effing up their system beyond recognition).
Step 2 - deny write access to the iesnare folders:
1. In Windows XP etc, hit 'Windows-key - F' to open the Search window. (press the windows key and the 'f' key at the same time).
2. Type in 'mpsnare' in the Search window.
3. When the search is completed, if iesnare has been used on your machien you'll usually find two or more folders with names like: #mpsnare.iesnare.com, #ci-mpsnare.iovation.com, mpsnare.iesnare.com and ci-mpsnare.iovation.com.
4. Select all of these folders, right click and select 'Properties'.
5. Select the 'Security' tab and then in the section where it says 'Permissions for ', click the 'deny' checkbox for each of the permission types (full control, modify, etc) - you can probably get away with just denying write perms though.
Be very careful not to change any other permissions on any other files/folders because this could make your machine unusable.
Step 3 - re-enable 'simple file sharing'
1. Follow the details in Step 1 above, but make sure the 'use simple file sharing' option IS ticked this time.
Disable iesnare cookies in your web browser
If all that above weren't enough, you should also block any regular HTTP cookies from the domain iesnare.com. These are the cookies that you can control from within your web browser (you can't control Flash cookies by default in your web browser):
Firefox:
1. Goto the Tools /> Options menu.
2. Click on the Privacy tab.
3. Click on 'Exceptions'.
4. Enter 'iesnare.com' and click 'Block'
Internet Explorer
1. Goto the Tools /> Internet Options menu item.
2. Click on the Privacy tab.
3. Click on 'Sites'.
4. Enter 'iesnare.com' and click 'Block'.
EDIT: See here for a whitepaper by Iovation on the ieSnare technology:
hxxp://www.apwg.com/sponsors_technical_papers/iovation_whitepaper.pdf
Crippling iesnare by modifying your 'hosts' file
This is an alternative to either uninstalling Flash or following the guide above.
The way it works is that you modify a file called 'hosts'' on your PC so that the iesnare software thinks that your PC actually IS the iesnare website. This way, every time the iesnare software tries to communicate with it's website, it's actually contacting YOUR machine which of course doesn't know anything about iesnare and so the whole communication process fails.
To achieve this:
1. Log into Windows as Administrator.
2. Open the 'Run' dialog box (press 'Windows+R' or click 'Start', 'Run').
3. Type in (or copy): 'notepad.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts' (note replace 'C:' with whatever drive your windows folder is on, most machines it should be just c: ). Hit 'enter' to open up the file in notepad.
4. At the end of the file, add the following line:
Code:
127.0.0.1 iesnare.com mpsnare.iesnare.com ci-mpsnare.iovation.com
5. Save the file (press 'ctrl-s' or go 'File /> Save').
To test whether your changes worked:
1. Open the 'Run' dialog box (press 'Windows+R' or click 'Start', 'Run').
2. Type in 'cmd' and hit enter, this brings up the commandline.
3. Type in: 'ping iesnare.com' - this will try to send a ping packet to the address that your machine thinks is 'iesnare.com'.
4. Type 'exit' to close the command line window.
If your modifications were successful, you should see 'Pinging iesnare.com [127.0.0.1]' when you run the ping command above. Don't worry if it says 'ping failed' or similar, just the fact that iesnare.com resolves to 127.0.0.1 is enough to know your modifications were successful - this means the iesnare software will think your machine is the iesnare.com website
With thanks to odeed on MSE.
Disabling Flash Objects / iesnare in Firefox using 'Objection'
Objection is an addon for the Firefox web browser which allows you to block local shared objects (LSO) - iesnare being an example of a Flash based LSO.
It works in the same way as the built-in cookie blocker does in Firefox, allowing you to enter fully qualified domain names for which you don't want LSOs to be installed.
Step by step guide not really needed although will add it if someone requests it!
I have looked at various threads including 2plus2, and dont think I fully get it.
Am I correct in believing that this tool was devised and initially marketed to actually protect players such as myself against third parties gaining access to my poker account from their own computers ?
As such it must be a good thing. But I note the concerns about some of the more unsavoury characters involved.
If Sky is a user of it reportedly since early 2010, does that not mean that Sky themselves have installed it ? If so for what reason ? Is it to protect us or because they wish to share information about us with other poker sites ?
Over the past couple of years I have accessed my Sky account from at least 8 different computers /laptops with no difficulty.
I have issues with invasion of my privacy, but nowadays it is the nature of the internet. If I buy something on Ebay I am sure that someone out there monitors it and shares information about me with other interested parties. Or if I paid for internet p*rn the data about me would no doubt be widely circulated.
I have noticed that every time I play on a certain major poker site, I will invariably within a few days get spam emails from what are obviously unregulated or bogus poker sites.
How concerned should we be about this ?
You can check and control flash cookies from here.
http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html
The 6th tab along can be used to block access.
Perhaps people should be more careful when posting huge tracts of stuff as the info guys when it is clearly the personal unsubstantiated opinion of an unattributed individual on another forum. And then going on to describe it as slightly suspect and possibly unlawful without producing any evidence.
Surely it is a matter of asking yourself some simple questions:
Am I in favour of something that protects me against others multi accounting, and seeking to profit by it ?
Am I in favour of something that may help protect me against identity theft and credit card fraud ?
Is the fact that people may know that I play on various poker sites on my little laptop really a major problem ?
Is there any evidence that any innocent party has suffered in any way because of it, financially or otherwise ?
Will it corrupt data on my computer ?
Has any innocent party been earmarked as a criminal or abuser because of it ?
The fact is that many of us poker players love a good conspiracy theory (I do too ! ) , nearly as much as the computer geeks amongst us love demonstrating their expertise in finding 1001 ways of removing and blocking unwanted software before seriously weighing up the benefits and possible downside.
Perhaps if Colonel Gaddafis Little Green Book was posted on the internet, someone would choose to repropagate it as information too !
How to check if iesnare is installed on your machine
1. In Windows XP etc, hit 'Windows-key - F' to open the Search window. (press the windows key and the 'f' key at the same time). In Windows Vista, do same as for xp but note you will probably have to goto 'advanced search' and then tick the 'include non-indexed ...' checkbox.
2. Type in 'mpsnare' in the Search window.
I,ve just done this and it did not come up with anything. Then again the search was immediate. It lasted less than a second
I,ve aLso been to the internet tools opotion and put it onto my block list
As someone who isn,t clued up on computers can someone tell me if I did have this would it affect any of my results at poker?
Cheers - A baffled MP
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Im merely looking after those who dont know what this is or does,And ive been informed that whilst yes it might be a fraud prevention tool it clearly is in violation of the privacy if nothing else and ,..
I can quite clearly give me impression about the offshore sites like ap/ub,I just hope sky doesnt follow suit !
And to those poker sites that have xxxxx me over in the past its only stuff like this fraud tool that needs clarification as to what its whole uses and intentions really are.!! because as of yet ive never heard of the damm thing....And penguin sir I have played the best players in the world ok mate!!!
Having read as much as I can find about it, I can see no evidence of it being anything other than what it says on the tin. If the only objection is that it may be an invasion of privacy, I would have to say that that is something that happens everywhere on the internet and I guess we have to learn to live with.
Whilst I did have the iesnare on my computer,and I still dont get why they have this I think my privacy would be as important as having for example a secure site!Obviously if they think they can invade the privac of your computer it seems like they have the complete ability to check/modify and look at any or all files and folders and I would safely assume since this has happened to me in the past to change /modify the poker client software.
I would just like to know what it is this iovation and iesnare does with its resources since I havent yet been given a full and clear understanding of its practical uses. Regards Aaron.
What my question is this ,not to sky but to some other uk players that may be more in the know than I am,;)
Greg pierson is obviously ceo of iovation ex-ielogic and software founder for these companys yet why doesnt he come forward to explain everything about the scandel on the ap/ub saga and give input on his role/intentional part , And the concise methodology used when implementing whatever input he was.
I mean please explain to us 'poker players ' who wrote the bad software for absolute poker and ub in clear and concise and distinct meaning , The software holds the most information.Who were the developers of the software and to what extent could they implement SAID 'GOD MODE' into the actual software program??It was duly posted on 2plus2 that names and accounts had acccess via the software to be able to manipulate and cheat the software to a major degree..What I need to establish is who authorised the software to be given out like this and why it was done.I seriously think Im never ever going to be downloading any poker software ever onto my computer ever again. Im just going to be using the ie browser from now on period.
Hope this helps you guys here, I love sky and continue to play on this site given Ive never had any real issues other than dissconnections ,although they may have the use of implemented company bots and im sure they do because they just sit out or time out thats up to them ,I care less about them tbh as I know and can understand why they use them.
To all the players that I do know however ,Good luck and hope your fortunes turn around. Sorry If i sounded pedantic sky but after the problems i had with ap/ub and had pros outing me out as a liar and whatnot I found myself in a difficult no-win situation... I just want to know why absolute poker gave out false advertising on something I could never ever ever win hands down no matter how hard or how much I played.