Is this a profitable call over time?

unknown_username

Cash table, i have posted the big blind and turn over cards that i dont bother with at all normally. Basically, player 'x' literally calls everything and is involved in every hand, playing with 'fun equity'. I check from Big Blind hoping for a miracle flop already thinking about getting out of the way and not wasting money on this if i dont hit anything. Two hearts come and suddenly i hit a flush draw, i am still not happy as i havent exactly got the nut flush if i hit. This is a situation i didnt want to be in but since i am i think i may as well try to build the pot in case i hit. Well i hit and put a small raise in to find out where i am then this happens.

Player 'y' is a player i have come across before and usually puts a big bet in when he hits a decent hand so when i hit my flush and think i am ahead he fires a clear signal that he has something, i instantly put him on the flush but his range easily includes a possible straight as player 'y' can be loose enough to be interested with 8,10 suited if allowed to limp.

I basically hate this hand and how it played but sat in the big blind i dont feel like i can fold here pre-flop and am not comfortable raising with these cards so is a check OK? Should i fold on the turn or is it profitable to call here over time? Also, i feel like i am behind on the turn, so check the river, should i have fired again to control the pot in case of another big raise and how much would that have been? I didnt because i didnt want him to come over the top. I wanted to get to the showdown relatively cheaply. Dont hold back guys. (i know you wont!!)

Hand History #353767948 (18:51 20/03/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
tosca21	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.96
DrSharp	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.82
	Your hole cards	8 5
x	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.90
y	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£3.20
halifax73	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£3.68
doublen	Call		£0.04	£0.22	£0.52
tosca21	Call		£0.02	£0.24	£2.94
DrSharp	Check
Flop
		4 7 9
tosca21	Check
DrSharp	Bet		£0.08	£0.32	£3.74
x	Call		£0.08	£0.40	£2.82
y	Call		£0.08	£0.48	£3.12
halifax73	Fold
doublen	Call		£0.08	£0.56	£0.44
tosca21	Fold
Turn
		J
DrSharp	Bet		£0.16	£0.72	£3.58
x	Call		£0.16	£0.88	£2.66
y	Raise		£1.20	£2.08	£1.92
doublen	Fold
DrSharp	Call		£1.04	£3.12	£2.54
x	Call		£1.04	£4.16	£1.62
River
		3
DrSharp	Check
x	Check
y	Check
DrSharp	Show	8 5
x	Muck	Q K
y	Show	Q 6
y	Win	Flush to the Queen	£3.84		£5.76

thejudge10

u really hav to raise pre,get rid of some limpers,bet bigger on the flop,u gave your opponent 5/1.you say u put out a small bet on turn to find out where you are??.well u get your answer.he gives you odds of 2/1 u call.Think u know your behind so you chck the river. its a learning curve.

1 raise pre

2 bet more flop 21p ?

3 fold to the raise.

wish i could follow my own advice,i would hav prob lost my stack lol

CLIOKID

No offence judge but raising pre would be a terrible, terrible move.

Anyway, to the OP. If you are going to take the betting lead in the hand by betting your draw, bet it more aggressively than you did.

thejudge10

would like to know why it would be terrible to raise,with 5 limpers in the pot

AMYBR

That many people see the flop you have tyo question any action when holding the low/mid flush.

TWRAMYEP

Drsharp, I wouldnt worry to much about the hand, flush over flush can usually be put down as a cooler.
tbh you got off lucky on the river, player y missed a very easy value bet, god knows what the KQ was doing here.

TWRAMYEP

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would like to know why it would be terrible to raise,with 5 limpers in the pot
Posted by thejudge10

squeezing from the bb with a trash hand into a million opponents is bad, all your raises there should  be for value

TINTIN

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u really hav to raise pre,get rid of some limpers,bet bigger on the flop,u gave your opponent 5/1.you say u put out a small bet on turn to find out where you are??.well u get your answer.he gives you odds of 2/1 u call.Think u know your behind so you chck the river. its a learning curve. 1 raise pre 2 bet more flop 21p ? 3 fold to the raise. wish i could follow my own advice,i would hav prob lost my stack lol
Posted by thejudge10

1. why? theres 4 limpersand you dont have a great hand, hes also on big blind so theres always a chance 1 or more are gonna call and your out of position for the rest of the hand.
2. i dont know about betting flop at all, its 5 way fairly coordinated board, personally i would check call

to the OP was you prepared to check call or check fold river, you had a good read on your opponent but i still think im doing my stack on this board as flush v flush doesnt happen often

thejudge10

thanks for the explanation guys ,much appreciaited

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: Is this a profitable call over time? : 1. why? theres 4 limpersand you dont have a great hand, hes also on big blind so theres always a chance 1 or more are gonna call and your out of position for the rest of the hand. 2. i dont know about betting flop at all, its 5 way fairly coordinated board, personally i would check call to the OP was you prepared to check call or check fold river, you had a good read on your opponent but i still think im doing my stack on this board as flush v flush doesnt happen often
Posted by TINTIN

Firstly, thanks for the response guys.

TinTin, i had resigned myself to check call mode hoping to get to showdown cheaply. Which i did. Could'nt check fold otherwise i may as well fold the turn. Hate it when so many limpers and sat on BB with rubbish. Always seems to get me in this sort of trouble.

unknown_username

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No offence judge but raising pre would be a terrible, terrible move. Anyway, to the OP. If you are going to take the betting lead in the hand by betting your draw, bet it more aggressively than you did.
Posted by CLIOKID

Hi CLIOKID. With it being a mid flush, i wasnt sure i was infront and i think it shows throughout the hand, not an excuse but thats why i put the smaller bet in. I take it onboard. I look very indecisive with my betting. The call on the turn was really difficult as i had the feeling i was behind here.