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Avoiding certain Players

JockBMWJockBMW
edited March 2011 in Poker Chat
Here is the question Guys,

I play quite a lot of DYM games,  I have recently moved up a level and I am quite happy with the success that I have been enjoying at this higher level.

I have noticed that there are one or two players, card racks I like to call them, only joking ;o)  These guys are very good players, specialists almost in this format.  I have checked them out on sharkscope and also the Sky Poker Leagues, winning players all.

I find that if I avoid playing against them I have a much better success rate.  However the questions is..... Am I missing a trick by not playing against these better players?  Is this an opportunity to learn?

The money side is not an issue as most people know I play this game for fun not profit ( you just have to see me play to realise that ).

I'm thinking I need to be a little more   LEEROY JENKINS.....   " AT LEAST I AIN'T CHICKEN"

Thanks in advance for any advice
 
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited March 2011
    It really does depend how much of an edge u think they have? obviously by playing them you would learn a thing or to but is it worthwhile only you can decide.

    I dont really mind playing anyone if im honest, but then again thats probably a bad thing. i used to fear dohhh at tables but lately i dont mind playing him not cos he's not too good just enjoy the banter and chance to outplay him :D
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2011
    I think there's only 4/5 v good dym players on the site.....


    But yeh having two or three winning players on the table is a good thing, they are really easy to exploit, and if you understand what makes them good, they wont have much of an edge on you, if any.

    Also good to have people who know what to do around the bubble, instead of three plonkers all going ftw like it's winner takes all whilst a shorty is sat with 0.5xbb.




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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ
    edited March 2011
    If you're looking to make as much profit as possible carry on avoiding them. Table selection is key if your goal is to win as much money as you can. Only play these guys if you enjoy the challenge of taking on the sharks and you're not bothered if your ROI is lower as a result.
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited March 2011

    The more regs you play against the less your edge, your ROI will suffer with reg on reg.
    Even playing against a reg with a small -roi will decrease your equity Vs a random

    Got to disagree with Doh when he says that having winning players on your table is a good thing cause they are easy to exploit.    Bad players are easier to exploit.



    Some figures on how regs effect your game:

    http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/
    http://jhub3000.livejournal.com/84368.html

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2011
    Id rather be shoving 10xbb on a dym bubble into a good player with 20xbb than a bad player with 20xbb.


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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    Id rather be shoving 10xbb on a dym bubble into a good player with 20xbb than a bad player with 20xbb.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    That dosnt mean playing against good players is better for your ROI, thats just nonsence.

    All you are doing is applying your knowlenge of a good regs calling range on the bubble Vs a bad player.
    If its a correct ICM push its a correct ICM push against any player as long as you are good at estimating villians calling range.
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited March 2011
    give me a table of total clowns rather than one with 2/3 regs

    when i did some DYM grinding, I wouldn't sit if 2 of the DYM specialists were already in.
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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    give me a table of total clowns rather than one with 2/3 regs when i did some DYM grinding, I wouldn't sit if 2 of the DYM specialists were already in.
    Posted by scotty77

    I'm your man Scotty,  see you on the tables ;o)


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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2011

    I don't even know what ICM is, it's probably irrelevant and over complicated.

    DYM's are the easiest form of poker, they don't allow anyone to have a big enough edge for anyone else to worry about playing them

    You could sit me in 1,000 dyms alongside ivey durrr and three random donks off sky, I bet my win rate would be very similar to theirs. 

    If I could be seated directly to the right, or 2 seats to the right of a winning reg in every dym I played I'd b very happy about it. 

    Who cares about ICM? Once you've cracked it, you've cracked it, it's just all about volume from then on.

    And there are LOADS of spots in a dym where you DO NOT want to be called by a worse hand.

    6 solid, competent nits in the same game becomes a problem though.

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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    I don't even know what ICM is, it's probably irrelevant and over complicated.Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Didnt read past this, if you did know anything about ICM we wouldn't be having this discusion.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2011
    lol, skope my dym record

    edit - just done it myself actually and it says I'm on tilt!!! haha pwned.

    14% R.O.I over 328 games is pretty good tho, maybe I could get 50% R.O.I if I knew what ICM was.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited March 2011
    I have purposely avoided playing Ivey and Durrr. 

    So far it has worked out ok.
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    lol, skope my dym record
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Doh I know your a winning solid reg, but thats now what we are discussing.
    We are talking about how regs effect your profatabilty and you seem to think that playing against a couple of regs Vs a table full of unknowns is better for your bottomline. This reasoning is wrong, its like saying move up where they respect your raises an argument thats been said and disproven a million times.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited March 2011
    ICM - Inter-Continental Missile.

    (These are also best avoided)
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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    I have purposely avoided playing Ivey and Durr.  So far it has worked out ok.
    Posted by elsadog

    Bizzarre   I once read an interview with Ivey and he said he avoids you...........  Durr, on the other hand goes looking for you ;o)

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  • JockBMWJockBMW
    edited March 2011
    ICM -  Intelligent Cute Mods  ;o)
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players:
    In Response to Re: Avoiding certain Players : Bizzarre   I once read an interview with Ivey and he said he avoids you...........  Durr, on the other hand goes looking for you ;o)
    Posted by JockBMW

    I can boast that neither player has ever got the better of me.

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2011

    Noooo it's completely different.

    In cash, if I could get all my money in every hand as a 51% favourite, I would make money.

    In dyms, if I got all my money in every hand as a 51% favourite, I would lose money.

    In dyms - alot of the time, I do not want to be called.

    Having a good player with a big stack on my left on the bubble of a dym, is an automatic 30% stack increase 90% of the time.

    Some shoving spots against bad players you just have to ignore.
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