Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep

yb

Since the new mastercash players opened I've been playing deep a lot more, so obviously have been getting into spots pretty deep against regs which I wouldn't have done as much before (these are the first 200bb tables I've ever played on other than live). I'd been 3betting a fair amount but nothing too crazy I don't think. The villain in the hand is a very good reg, and he was pwning me in these kinda spots (this wasn't the only difficult preflop spot he put me in), he defo would have had a lot more experience on deeper stacked tables than me and I really didn't know what to do. Is QQ good enough to get stacks in btn vs blinds even 200bbs deep? Should I be flatting preflop because I'm sort of turning my hand into a bluff by 3betting here? But then if I'm only going to be 3betting AA/KK for value I'm going to become pretty easy to play against.

I was a bit lost tbh.

yb	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£385.96
offshoot	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£203.02
	Your hole cards	Q Q
jimmynoleg	Fold
MRFOXXXX	Fold
sam1986	Fold
villain	Raise		£3.00	£4.50	£197.00
yb	Raise		£12.00	£16.50	£373.96
offshoot	Fold
villain	Raise		£33.00	£49.50	£164.00

AMYBR

Funnily enough I was in exactly the same spot about 10 minutes ago.  Opponents 3bet sizing just felt wrong, so I jammed 200BB with the Q's.  He still snapped me off with AcKc hitting a K.  Was pretty annoyed but then got to thinking (like you say here) I didnt really need to fire 200BB.  I certainly fold/flat with J's, Q's only being slightly less vulnerable, but equally vulnerable against AK. 

N1CK

with all the previous i would just click it back

yb

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

with all the previous i would just click it back
Posted by N1CK

I can't 5bet/fold with his sizing, so in the end I just shoved.

beaneh

who said clicking it back would be to then fold lol.

just get it in and hit a queen imo.

yb

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

who said clicking it back would be to then fold lol. just get it in and hit a queen imo.
Posted by beaneh

lol yeah obv I'm not raise/folding QQ, I meant I won't ever be bluffing.

beaneh

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : lol yeah obv I'm not raise/folding QQ, I meant I won't ever be bluffing.
Posted by yb

do it as a bruff. villain is probably terrible.

maybe just fold pre?! lol

yb

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : do it as a bruff. villain is probably terrible. maybe just fold pre?! lol
Posted by beaneh

nah he isn't as nitty as you

beaneh

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : nah he isn't as nitty as you
Posted by yb

it's hard. I just love knitting cardigans.

MP33

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : I can't 5bet/fold with his sizing, so in the end I just shoved.
Posted by yb

persoanlly i would have flatted pre after his £33 raise and reavulaute after flop

What happened when you shoved?

N1CK

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:

In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : persoanlly i would have flatted pre after his £33 raise and reavulaute after flop What happened when you shoved?
Posted by MP33

what exactly would you re-evaluated???????

BigBluster

Not sure about the re-evaluation post flop. Does this mean if an A or K hits you check/fold? Or if a A or K doesn't hit you aim to get it in?
This has got to be a bad move as he won't call your flop bet if he doesn't hit, unless he has kings or aces.