Satellites v Direct buy ins on Sky Poker

YouKnowsIt

was hoping for a little bit of advice about this if anyone has an opinion

Apart from the obvious (you can get in a tourney far cheaper via a sat than a direct buy in) but it amazes me in the difference in the standard of play when your in a sat compared to the main event.

By no means am I the best player in the world, really I have only been playing for a few months and still learning day by day but I have only just managed to get thru a sat for the first time today.

I was after advice really on play within a sat because the ones I have played in people have bet all sorts of rubbish after I have raised and have managed to hit on something you would never put them on, is this inspired play by them, donk play, am I the clown, do I need to change my games for sats???

The reason I ask is that Ive played a few sats now and ended up having just to buy straight in cause I wanted to play in them, so really Im paying up to double the original buy in.

The main even to me seems that people actually play properly compared to the sats who a lot just seem to wanna luck out.

So am I just a bad player cause I cant beat people like this, do I need to pick my spots better, I really just cant work out where my game is at TBH, so dont know whether to continue the sats or just buy straight in

I know thats a ramble with many points and questions and I'm trying not to give too much away about my game but if anyone can help or contribute towards this post, I would greatly appreciate it (or educate me in how to structure posts properly lol)

Thanks

delaney09

the best way to play in a satellite i would say is just nit up play really tight only play big hands get a double up then sit out 9/10 you are going to get through to the next stage or the main event by doing this as many people will play any 2 cards majority of the time and the field usually knocks down pretty quickly, playing  loose in a satellite usually ends in an early exit unless you are getting the hands. I wouldn't say it makes you a bad player cause you aren't able to beat some of these players as sometimes it is just impossible to put them on any type of hand

YouKnowsIt

Cheers delaney, that is what i try to do but always get done by rubbish, that whats I was trying to maek my point without giving my game away lol, so any other advice welcome

scotty77

so basically what your saying is that your too good to beat bad players?

but yeah the standard is pretty bad in the sats.  if i am playing at between 5-6 then i'll always try at least once in getting in cheap, usually successfully.

just keep at it and im sure you'll be fine. 

YouKnowsIt

lol Scotty by no means am I saying that, just i'm trying to play my own game based on advice thru sky poker, forums and the situation I'm based in at the table, just Im finding it difficult with the total random hands being played when I'm re rasing and being called with total random rubbish, hence why i wondered if its better to buy straight in or risk satillite roulette

GaryQQQ

Daytime tourney sats are soft in my experience (I don't play in the evening, so I can't comment on those), I never buy-in direct for anything that's £10+ because it's cheaper to satellite in. These sats all have a turbo structure, so play tight for the first 3 levels, then switch to measured and well timed aggression. Short stack shove/fold/re-steal skills are crucial, as is correct bubble play. Close to the bubble shove with any 2 cards on big stacks that think they already have a seat wrapped up, they will only call with a monster.

You have probably just been a victim of variance so far, if you're a better than average player these should be +ev in the long run. Satellites can definitely be very profitable, see this;

https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3acdf513a4-4811-44dd-b210-c66d9e48e878Discussion%3a8b57b54b-a6b3-4b3a-ac12-f528d672e993

Good luck.

celtbhoy24

Hi,
I am a fairly new player as well and recently had some success in sat's. As mentioned play as a knit and double up, You will find people calling raises with anything (especially in early levels), raising 5/6 times the big blind usually rids the rubbish and means you retain some fold equity.
Regards
Celtbhoy

YOUNG_GUN

im loving playing sats at mo got £5.20 into the roller, also getting into mains for cheap. FWIW at first i was rubbish at them but now cant seem to not get through which is good

MrWh1te

I have quite some success in sats but I do find myself sometimes getting frustrated by others play when it isnt 'as I would expect'.

For instance, I just played in a sat for a $109 buyin game.  The buyin for the sat was $23 and I won a seat in that one from a $8 game.
Anyhow,getting close to the bubble, nearly everyone on my table was safe if we just folded round.  Everyone knew this, except the guy on my right, who every time it was folded to him in the SB he would push on my BB.  This had the effect of 'squeaky bum time'.  He had a similar stack to me too and if I picked up a hand I would have called, just to spite him.
I did eventually qualify but it took all of my strength to not call him with ATC

What I guess I am trying to say, stay tight (I folded AA and AK at times in the sat tonight), play some great stealing play around the bubble against stacks that think they are safe.

Never try and steal from someone who wont make the bubble by sitting out (they will call wider).  Don't steal eiither from the very big stacks that can afford to take a hit and still qualify because they will call looser and they only need to catch you once.

Good luck with your attempts