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DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
edited April 2011 in Brags, Beats and Variance
Your much more successful than me online Doh, but this seems a pretty easy fold to me.  Forgetting that you are technichally the fav, someone could easily have slow played a big hand + theres so much action that I dont really want to play a big non paired hand here. Thats my game though, I dont like to play big allin pots pre without the goods.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited March 2012
    wtf?

    The way it played out I couldn't see any way that I could be dominated here.

    This was the v first hand of the session, not just the table, the session.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    junopigg24 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £15.32
    DOHHHHHHH Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £29.70
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
    		     
    abshir18 Raise  £0.60 £1.05 £24.06
    wobblylegs Fold     
    60NINE Call  £0.60 £1.65 £39.37
    WELSHFELLA Call  £0.60 £2.25 £28.81
    junopigg24 Call  £0.45 £2.70 £14.87
    DOHHHHHHH Raise  £2.70 £5.40 £27.00
    abshir18 Call  £2.40 £7.80 £21.66
    60NINE Fold     
    WELSHFELLA Call  £2.40 £10.20 £26.41
    junopigg24 All-in  £14.87 £25.07 £0.00
    DOHHHHHHH All-in  £27.00 £52.07 £0.00
    abshir18 All-in  £21.66 £73.73 £0.00
    WELSHFELLA All-in  £26.41 £100.14 £0.00
    DOHHHHHHH Unmatched bet  £0.59 £99.55 £0.59
    junopigg24 Show
    • J
    • K
    		   
    DOHHHHHHH Show
    • K
    • A
    		   
    abshir18 Show
    • A
    • Q
    		   
    WELSHFELLA Show
    • 5
    • 2
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 7
    • 6
    • 10
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    River
       
    • A
    		     
    DOHHHHHHH Win Two Pairs, Aces and 7s £97.75  £98.34
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011
    At which point can I fold? when the sb shoves, after flatting the initial min raise UTG?

    When I shove, there is only 1 person all in.......

    And the others only have 10xbb in each, which they have called when I raised.

    ...... ??
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  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2011
    You cant fold when junopig jams?  You cant tell me your happy when they all call behind?  But I get the sense that there was alot of info at the table to be used in context with the hand.

    All i mean is I just dont want to get it in against all those random hands, just rarely works out well.  But in combo with info at table ithat I'm sure you used its awesome the best hand holds.

    But again, they all call behind you cant be feeling good about it.......till the river :p
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: 333xbb pot - 4 way all in pre flop - CASH:
    You cant fold when junopig jams?  You cant tell me your happy when they all call behind?  But I get the sense that there was alot of info at the table to be used in context with the hand. All i mean is I just dont want to get it in against all those random hands, just rarely works out well.  But in combo with info at table ithat I'm sure you used its awesome the best hand holds. But again, they all call behind you cant be feeling good about it.......till the river :p
    Posted by ilove2h8pr
    Ok, I could just fold my hand when junopig jams......

    But the 2 hands I'm afraid of are AA/ KK....

    What r the chances of junopig having AA/KK? There has been an utg raise, and 2 callers before it gets to him. Woul he really just flat call out of position with KK/AA in this situation? Does he want to play his aces/kings 4/5 ways post flop? I wouldn't have thought so......

    So I make a big raise with AK, as I want to thin the field, and get some money in as I think I have the best hand.

    The initial raiser who min/raised utg only flats my 10x raise.

    Would he just flat here with KK/AA with 4 callers behind him and I've shown massive strength? Surely he would raise?

    The guy on the button also flats. Wud he flat twice pre in a multi way pot with KK/AA???

    And now we're bnack to the small blind, Junopig. He ships it, after previously flatting an utg raise, and 3 calls. There's no way I can give him AA/KK. 

    So he ships it, I'm loving this, I can now re-shove 30 quid, get others to fold, and take this guy on heads up.

    But then it goes call, call.

    At this point I'm hating my hand/situation. But I've got my money in first, if they've played their hands super slow/risky, fair play to them, it's worked this time.

    Had I had AK in the big blind facing 3 all in shoves? I can't fold fast enough.

    But how did I know they were all gonna spa zz out with bad hands????? I know I'm an underdog against the field, but I've got to be happy getting it in here as It's +ev......

    And there was no history/reads at the table, this was the very first hand of the session. Having broke the hand down in my mind as it was happening, there was just no way I cvould give anyone AA/KK.

    If they wanna throw money away, sure they will get lucky sometimes, but overall, they're chuckin it away.

    AK is the worst I can possibly have here.

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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27
    edited April 2011
    Yeah like you say there is now way i'd fold here. Nobody in their right mind would be playing aces/kings like they have.

    Looks like your luck is turning again as at least you didn't get outdrawn this time.


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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited April 2011
    So it just comes down to if you want to race a pair I guess.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: 333xbb pot - 4 way all in pre flop - CASH:
    So it just comes down to if you want to race a pair I guess.
    Posted by AMYBR
    Why does it though?

    Are you placing the small blind firmly on a pair 22-QQ?

    I don't see it.

    I've explained my thought process throughout the hand, as honestly as I could. Do you see any flaws in my logic? Thought process? What am I mnissing? Where am I missing it?

    Does the sb have to have 22-QQ?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited April 2011
    I dont see a flaw in your logic bud.  Am really happy you won with the best hand.

    Seems feasible that one of the limp jams 8's or such to isolate though.

    The hands dont concern me here.  Personally I hate any 4 way allin pot regardless of my holdings.  Have to be honest, big gains last night so been drinking in the garden all day.  Sun + beer means no read-y long post just now.

    Great pot, best hand wins 330 bigs.  Credit to you sir :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited April 2011

    But when I commit to my hand, there is a guy all in, fair enough, he could have a pair, or a worse ace, maybe suited boradways, who knows, his range is wide.

    But the other 2 players who commit 100xbb total to the hand, have only 10xbb each in at the time of my 100xbb jam.

    They are by no means committed to the pot, and their ranges are very weak. Ofc they have pairs in their range, but they fold most, if not all of them,

    Do u agree? (u can reply tomorrow if u like) lol 

    btw try playing some games today after a drink, poker games, not casino games.

    It works ;)
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited April 2011
    Yeah I'm pretty darn drunk.  Have this awesome vintage pint glass with handles and stuff that has overflowed all day, now switching to the red stuff.

    Still havent read too much into you thought process but read ypur last post.  I was looking at the hand retro actively at the point where they all call your jam.  Taking it back to your 3 bet, the juno 4 betting from the SB your right that a fold here would be pretty sloppy.  What the crazyees do behind is out of your control, you make a great call there.  EWven if he is squeezing 8's or such, your generating a big flop coinflip, that these guys are crazy /dumb to call into.  Just an awful bet with the AQ IMO.

    Again, I didnt really take the hand back far enough to see is properly, am drunk but am sure you know what I mean.  Great play you deserve the pot.  I fricking hate to see the 25 in there, its the hand that you know is likely to hurt you.

    Limp jamed AQ 11 handed against crazy guys ladt nught for 130 odd BB pot, got called by 28 crazy guy.  BB is uber "priced in" fish.  He says my hand is bad enough to win (75).  Flop comes down (in order (A826.... I refuse to feel like I'm beat by the luckbox 2 pr............river A for trips over the insane 2pr allin pre).  Take the pot - no rake- without a word.

    Back to this hand, well played, glad it came out your way.
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  • rancidrancid
    edited April 2011

    weird hand
    I would put Juno on 10's - QQ's and play it the same way.
    The only one you worried about is UTG with maybe AA.

    Standard aggro AK TBH )

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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited April 2011
    nh, cant believe your hand held up
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