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Turning KK into a bluff
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| sam1986 | Small blind | £1.00 | £1.00 | £231.55 | |
| offshoot | Big blind | £2.00 | £3.00 | £198.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| LOL_RAISE | Fold | ||||
| andyAA | Fold | ||||
| jimmynoleg | Fold | ||||
| RUNITSRANN | Raise | £6.00 | £9.00 | £205.35 | |
| sam1986 | Fold | ||||
| offshoot | Call | £4.00 | £13.00 | £194.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| offshoot | Check | ||||
| RUNITSRANN | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| offshoot | Bet | £9.75 | £22.75 | £184.25 | |
| RUNITSRANN | Call | £9.75 | £32.50 | £195.60 | |
| River | |||||
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| offshoot | Bet | £20.00 | £52.50 | £164.25 | |
| RUNITSRANN | Raise | £62.00 | £114.50 | £133.60 | |
| offshoot | All-in? | ||||
Comments
Its pretty villain dependent, you can rep a boat here, is he capable of folding Ax? Can he be bluffing river?
surely he's not folding there and doubt he's ever doing that with air or anything that u beat
I think your dead, or he has a J or something like QQ and does not beleive you have an ace which you don't so the play/read is defo on for him as you checked the flop. So he could be playing back at you :!:!:! Especially with your weak flat pre, no raise ?
Call seems apt, think a shove is not winning in this spot enough to make it worthwhile
How many times are you going to get him to fold Ax or be beating his calling range
If you shove he is only calling you with a hand thats beating you the majority of the time ...... unless you think he will think your bluffing .... too much meta game for this shove )
So he is either making the same play your contemplating or he has you beat
All about what RUNN is thinking, is he thinking Offshoot will flat with a big hand pre against him or not.
A lot of players would just call here and loose min.
Maybe LOL_RAISE got it spot on by saying he would not raise with Ax on the end, it's either bluff or he has Offshoot beat and is not folding
Closer to a fold then a bluff, pf is very good with reads imo.
Thinking about it, when he checked back flop and called turn i obviously assume hes pot controlling pp's or Ax/Jx. When he raises river i can rule out pp's so its more likely Ax. At the time i thought he could feel like hes underrepped his hand here and so would raise for value but fold to shove. thinking more about it im not sure he raises the river with Ax.
If he is pot controlling the flop/turn why has he done a u turn and raised the river and not just call, that story does not add up. He is surely only raising to either get more out of you as he knows he got you beat or to get you off your hand. Does not seem like he is raising to fold here, more like for value. Seems like he putting you on a Ax and he sitting there with a boat.
Love to know what the outcome was
lol - +1
offshoot, could you post some reads as I assume you have some if you flat KK pre and think he is never bluffing on river
Also if you or beaneh could explain why you think flatting pf is good, because I think it would have to be a very specific type of opponent that I consider flatting KK against
I'm not sure how many Axs he can raise for value on river against you unless there is some weird dynamic between you. If hes not bluffing ever its a fold imo
Offshoot could raise/shove on river and turn his hand into a value bluff and get a crazy call from QQ or Jx :S
It's just one crazy hand ) All read dependant, who's playing who