You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.
You might need to refresh your page afterwards.
Sky Poker forums will be temporarily unavailable from 11pm Wednesday July 25th.
Sky Poker Forums is upgrading its look! Stay tuned for the big reveal!
PLO 10/20p, big draw on turn facing PSB.
Is this a fold?
If I were to continue, would I be better just calling then check folding the river if I miss? I have no fold equity, but I could save 25xbb if I just flat? Is there any point in raising the rest of his stack?
I spose all three options are open here?
Looking back, I think fold is probably best, calling 2nd best, and shoving the worst option?
New to PLO so any basic advice appreciated.
Thnx
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| mick777 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £20.50 | |
| CALLANIE | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £21.82 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £53.82 | |
| jigbon09 | Call | £0.60 | £1.50 | £16.66 | |
| LJ_Elson72 | Call | £0.60 | £2.10 | £18.60 | |
| mick777 | Fold | ||||
| CALLANIE | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Bet | £1.40 | £3.50 | £52.42 | |
| jigbon09 | Fold | ||||
| LJ_Elson72 | Raise | £3.80 | £7.30 | £14.80 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | Call | £2.40 | £9.70 | £50.02 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| DOHHHHHHH | Check | ||||
| LJ_Elson72 | Bet | £9.70 | £19.40 | £5.10 | |
| DOHHHHHHH | |||||
Comments
You are probably up against a set or 810, and although im not a maths expert i dont think you have the right price here.
Also your heart draw may not be live.
I agree fold is better than call which is better than shove.
A shove is bad, as you have no FE.
The best thing to do here was simply to fold preflop. You have 3 suits, no pair, no ace and a weak flush hand and you are playing out of position, so unless you flop nut straight you are unlikely to know where you are. Even if you flop a set you are likely to be outkicked by ak aq etc.
Even aakk 2 suited is hard to play utg at PLO unless your stack size is small enough to be able to reraise all in preflop if you get some preflop action. Otherwise any board that doesnt flush you or boat you is likely to be dangerous to play as people who are playing 'any 4' are likely to get frisky with top 2 pr etc.
Anyway, whilst i understand that i have no history of PLO on SP at the moment, and people may say i havent got a clue and shouldnt be commenting, this is due to having no BR yet and once i have a little i will be joining in the fun to test my game once again.
Good luck, its an excellent game to play but with the large swings to go with it.
Paddy H 9se7enTr3y
On the flop you have 4 8s, 3 Ts,3 Qs and 3 Ks. for a total of 13 outs and this is the point you need to make you decision when you have 2 chances to win and much better odds to play with. By waiting for the turn you have halved your odds and possibly lost quite a few outs as well which means you should be snap folding there.
So for me you should have either repopped on the flop to get your money in then or folded. Calling and hoping to get lucky is never a good plan especially when you have only 1 more card before you have to make another decision.
For me you are asking the wrong question. This is because you turned the flop into an effective Turn decision. You had a massive draw on the flop and rightly bet out but this is when your decision needs to be made. By flatting on the flop you have in all regards given yourself 1 card to hit your draw because you know you will be facing a turn bet. On the flop you have 4 8s, 3 Ts,3 Qs and 3 Ks. for a total of 13 outs and this is the point you need to make you decision when you have 2 chances to win and much better odds to play with. By waiting for the turn you have halved your odds and possibly lost quite a few outs as well which means you should be snap folding there. So for me you should have either repopped on the flop to get your money in then or folded. Calling and hoping to get lucky is never a good plan especially when you have only 1 more card before you have to make another decision.
Posted by Talon
whilst i understand what Talon is saying i dont agree with it for a couple of reasons: 1. You are allowing a turn card to give you more information and possibly to give you more outs) 2. If you repop it and commit yourself you are only getting called by (decent player who reads boards, we will ignore the gamblers for the moment) a better draw or top set, in which case you are in the poo (worse case he has top set and nut flush back door draw with 2 overcards that i can think of).
poker is about information and allowing yourself as many chances as possible to win the hand. If the opposition misses his draw or the board turns bad for him then this allows you an extra way of winning the hand by shoving the river. Even if you dont have it, he may be now worried that you do and fold to 3/4 pot all in bet anyway. By reshoving flop you are only allowing yourself 2 ways to win the hand instead of the 3 that you have now created by smoothcalling his flop bet. 1. you now have best hand (on turn) 2. You make him think u have best hand (on turn) 3. River showdown gives you best hand.
Any disagreements because this is the best hand i have talked about for a while lol
Firstly due to the nature of the starting hand it is highly unlikely for a turn card to come along which will provide more outs and it is much more likely to come a card that takes away outs or possibly even kills the hand stone dead.
Secondly if we assume that we call and hit one of the outs then unless the guy is on the same draw or a complete fool then there is no way of getting the money in against him and getting paid off due to the telegraphing of the hand.
By repopping the flop you have 2 ways of winning hitting or bullying by calling the flop you also have 2 ways of winning hitting or bluffing.I would take bullying over bluffing everytime because anyone who shows such an interest in the pot is not likely to be bluffed off.