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Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game

edited April 2011 in Poker Chat
I don't know where to start but the jist of things is all of a sudden I have lost my read, making very bad decisions and calls, not believing people have a hand, my head just in the shed and I dont know why, just seem to be losing money hand over fist, I'm even going back to basics tonight and playing in a free roll to see if that helps.

Can you just become a bad player over night or did i think I was actually better than I was?
Do I need a break? Whats the best way to get my confidence back cause at this stage Im scared to play for money.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Comments

  • edited April 2011
    When I have a crisis of confidence I look back at my hand history, see where i'm bleeding chips away and make a note or two.  Like you I tend to get this whenever I go through periods of thinking everyone is bluffing.  Maybe respecting some raises or waiting for better reads on people might help your stack and breed you confidence, chin up, take a break if needed but don't give up hope. :)
  • edited April 2011
    my main problem is I cannot seem to get people off the 3rd best pair, Ive raised, re raised, gone all in, tried everything but people dont seem to lay down, I dont know whether its becoming bad play on my account or whether its people who just wont lay down a hand (this has been against seperate people on different occassions, MTT's and 5/10p)
  • edited April 2011

    If they are beating you with third pair then I would suggest the standard line of playing tight till you have a read on people.  Once you suss who can be raised off their hand then all is good, if not, wait for the monster and snaffle their chips!  If you're playing cash, then simply try and different table, simple is sometimes the best solution my friend.

  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    my main problem is I cannot seem to get people off the 3rd best pair, Ive raised, re raised, gone all in, tried everything but people dont seem to lay down, I dont know whether its becoming bad play on my account or whether its people who just wont lay down a hand (this has been against seperate people on different occassions, MTT's and 5/10p)
    Posted by YouKnowsIt
    Only bet if you have 2nd pair or better then.

    It's not really that hard to make 2nd/top pair, so be patient and value town them.

    Adapt to your opponents, if they wont fold, don't bluff.
  • edited April 2011

     100%of poker players THINK they are better than what they actually are .......FACT :)                                    my advice tho ,is to take a complete break from the game,couple of weeks or so ,,,,,to clear your head,,,,,,it will do you the world of good .....TEN

  • edited April 2011
    I sometimes do this, i think its u get ahead of yourself sometimes and think ur gonna hero call with marginal hands and u start playing more cos you think ur the best :)

    tighten up ur range and review hands
  • edited April 2011
    you was on my table the other night in the wednesday survivour and you took a beat from solack and started iving some abuse in the chat box, you seemed very stressed, i think you should take a break mate
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    you was on my table the other night in the wednesday survivour and you took a beat from solack and started iving some abuse in the chat box, you seemed very stressed, i think you should take a break mate
    Posted by murray69
    yeah cause i respect solack as a good player, he called my all in with 5, 6 off suit and hit the 6, to me thats a donk play and the type of play thats killing me at the mo
  • edited April 2011
    Yeah i went through this patch mate, its not really a downswing its just you playing really poor poker and not really realising that your the one making the bad plays. Take a break, maybe go and play some live poker, have a good laugh and enjoy the game. Come back when you feel properly refreshed and have a new mindset :) thats what i did and it helped :)
  • edited April 2011
    By the way I asked solack what he was doing calling me with that and asked him if he was slightly embarrassed by it, not swearing at him or anything, he didnt reply
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    Yeah i went through this patch mate, its not really a downswing its just you playing really poor poker and not really realising that your the one making nthe bad plays. Take a break, maybe go and play some love poker, have a good laugh and enjoy the game. Come back when you feel properly refreshed and have a new mindset :) thats what i did and it helped :)
    Posted by Wacko90
    Where can i get a game of this LOVE POKER wacko.?..........sounds awesome ,im up for it ,literally :)
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    By the way I asked solack what he was doing calling me with that and asked him if he was slightly embarrassed by it, not swearing at him or anything, he didnt reply
    Posted by YouKnowsIt

    Players are free to play however they wish too.

    Yeah it's annoying when they bink, but it happens.

    Solack was probably multi-tabling so that's why he probably didn't reply.

    Young  Gun speaks sense, i've been guilty of getting over confident plenty of times and it's only when you look back over your play you see the problems.
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game : Where can i get a game of this LOVE POKER wacko.?..........sounds awesome ,im up for it ,literally :)
    Posted by TENOFSPADE

    Relax and enjoy your poker.

    Try the DTD forum comps on Monday & Thursday

    £5.50 and enjoy the banter/chat between players

    It has made me enjoy poker again. Even if you don't win

  • edited April 2011
    yo dude, I think you were on a final table with me a couple of weeks ago. you played really well and seemed like you wanted to learn and get better. Take results like that one as confidence and keep at it.
  • edited April 2011
    Deffo agree with wacko on playing live poker, i got bored of playing online, then played live more, pint and poker? Can't beat it! Makes you feel refreshed when you comeback and play online
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    Deffo agree with wacko on playing live poker, i got bored of playing online, then played live more, pint and poker? Can't beat it! Makes you feel refreshed when you comeback and play online
    Posted by CrazyBen23
    The only problem with that, and i know Dohhhh and a few others will agree it makes playing sober a chore.
  • edited April 2011

    My game goes in cycles. Win for a while then get over confident, play too aggressively and start losing, then lose all confidence and really struggle. Like you, I can't get the idea that everyone is bluffing me out of my head.

    What works for me when the confidence goes is to play micro stakes sit & goes or even go and fool around with play money on facebook until I feel ready to try again, then try and build some momentum with DYM's before playing what I want to play again. Play a tight range of hands and maybe make the odd move only from position.

    Good bankroll or budget control is a big help.

  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    Deffo agree with wacko on playing live poker, i got bored of playing online, then played live more, pint and poker? Can't beat it! Makes you feel refreshed when you comeback and play online
    Posted by CrazyBen23
    Where did you play?

    When I used to play live locally it was always in the free poker league in pubs......there was never any real money games round here....
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    In Response to Re: Young  Gun speaks sense, i've been guilty of getting over confident plenty of times and it's only when you look back over your play you see the problems.
    Posted by AcidMan27
    Quoted for truth, well there's a first
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game : Where did you play? When I used to play live locally it was always in the free poker league in pubs......there was never any real money games round here....
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    Rhino's in Bentley sometimes, the players there are awful, theres a tournment n then a cash game after, although i think the number are dwindling abit, i tried out the grove opposite range aswell last week, players there are alot better lol, tournment n cash game on, and i'm trying to go sheffield g-casino more, but only been a couple of times.
  • edited April 2011
    I've had the same thing for about 2 months now.

     1st of all I took a break, that didn't really help, then I switched to MTT's. Had some nice wins and sorted the BR out, but everytime I took 1 bad beat it would put my confidence down again. What I've found is if you truely are a winning player then play as many tables as you can, this way you don't have time to think about the bad beats and the more tables you do then the lower the variance. So strangley my advise when your confidence is low then play more (as long as you believe you are doing things right).
  • edited April 2011

    Hand History #365614342 (19:01 26/04/2011)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    YouKnowsIt Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £13.86
    stigymcfig Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £9.70
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    DaveHunt Fold     
    cowboycurt Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £9.30
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £0.85 £1.30 £13.01
    stigymcfig Fold     
    cowboycurt Raise  £2.30 £3.60 £7.00
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £3.40 £7.00 £9.61
    cowboycurt Raise  £3.40 £10.40 £3.60
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £3.40 £13.80 £6.21
    cowboycurt All-in  £3.60 £17.40 £0.00
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £3.80 £21.20 £2.41
    YouKnowsIt Unmatched bet  £1.90 £19.30 £4.31
    YouKnowsIt Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    cowboycurt Show
    • K
    • A
       
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 2
    • 6
         
    Turn
       
    • K
         
    River
       
    • 7
         
    cowboycurt Win Three Kings £18.60  £18.60
  • edited April 2011

    Hand History #365615790 (19:06 26/04/2011)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    johnnyd117 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £4.00
    sskj1985 Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £9.80
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
         
    cowboycurt Fold     
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £0.30 £0.45 £4.01
    DaveHunt Fold     
    johnnyd117 Raise  £0.45 £0.90 £3.55
    sskj1985 Call  £0.40 £1.30 £9.40
    YouKnowsIt Raise  £1.00 £2.30 £3.01
    johnnyd117 Call  £0.80 £3.10 £2.75
    sskj1985 Call  £0.80 £3.90 £8.60
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 5
    • A
         
    johnnyd117 Bet  £0.70 £4.60 £2.05
    sskj1985 Fold     
    YouKnowsIt All-in  £3.01 £7.61 £0.00
    johnnyd117 All-in  £2.05 £9.66 £0.00
    YouKnowsIt Unmatched bet  £0.26 £9.40 £0.26
    johnnyd117 Show
    • A
    • 2
       
    YouKnowsIt Show
    • J
    • A
       
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    johnnyd117 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 2s £8.70  £8.70
  • edited April 2011
    I have just been hammered, called a s * * * player, abused buy the guy hitting the 2, this is how Im running and whats knocking me
  • edited April 2011
    Maybe I am a bad player lol, those hands were in athe space of about 5 hands
  • edited April 2011
    no those 2 hands are running bad dude u done nothing wrong chin up!
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Advice needed, Totally lost confidence in my game:
    I've had the same thing for about 2 months now.  1st of all I took a break, that didn't really help, then I switched to MTT's. Had some nice wins and sorted the BR out, but everytime I took 1 bad beat it would put my confidence down again. What I've found is if you truely are a winning player then play as many tables as you can, this way you don't have time to think about the bad beats and the more tables you do then the lower the variance. So strangley my advise when your confidence is low then play more (as long as you believe you are doing things right).
    Posted by FlashFlush
    i think this is very good advice if im sitting on cash i often have a low stakes DYM on also just to prevent me doing anything crazy, also i do this whenever im trying to hold down a conversation so if you do have someone in the room with ya when this happens its probably because your not fully concentrating on poker
  • edited April 2011
    sometimes you just run bad mate
    just put one up in Beats, variance section which shows what I mean. can't find the other one where my aces were beat by 10 7! but the hand history only goes back a week for me

    sometimes though the reason I was losing to "bad beats" was down to me and I posted hands in the clinic and got some good advice which I've tried to take on board and use. you do fall back into bad habits sometimes though!
    an earlier poster said look back at hand history which is a very good idea and one which i will try to use more as well!

    you do find sometimes that you just play the hand wrong. what you think you know you don't. your read was wrong. or they just have the hand that beats you with the card that makes yours

    taking a good break does sometimes work. you get the enjoyment back once things are back in perspective

    good luck and i hope to join you at the "scary" heights of nl10 soon. LOL
  • edited April 2011
    Am running like a '91 Clio (i.e. very badly), but for every bad beat we have, we had our money in good. 

    It will turn - look at @ElsaDog...?

    Worry when it's your A2 against AK all in on an A high flop would be my advice.
  • edited April 2011
    I think its important to take a break and look back at the times where you have good results, and think about the style you played to get those results.

    It maybe that you did well playing this style and started to get over confident, i.e if your a tight player and started played loose and vice versa.

    Stick to your game and dont worry about being bluffed, sometimes even if you think are being bluffed its still best to let go especially if you have no hand or any draw, unless you have a really good read on your oppenent.

    You will feel a lot worse if you make a hero call and it turns out the other player has the goods.

    And as frustrating as it is sometimes, you cant control what other players do.

    Good luck.


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